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Author Topic:   Why is evolution so controversial?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 766 of 969 (739966)
10-30-2014 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 762 by zaius137
10-29-2014 9:56 PM


Re: A fine point on the argument.
quote:
When I get results that contradict expectation, the first thing I think is: "I must have done something wrong."
Why should I think otherwise?
Am I wrong to think that is procedure and not methodology.
Yes, a procedure is a method. If you're questioning your procedures then you are doing methodology.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 772 of 969 (739986)
10-30-2014 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by zaius137
10-30-2014 12:08 PM


Re: A fine point on the argument.
Would that include sfs's objection to Hawks?
I don't know and I don't care.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 779 of 969 (740048)
10-31-2014 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 777 by zaius137
10-31-2014 2:28 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
Creationists would label all of those earlier hominids apes.
So would scientists, because they are apes. And so are humans.
Humans are apes.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 780 of 969 (740049)
10-31-2014 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 778 by zaius137
10-31-2014 2:31 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
quote:
In this thread, all you have shown is that you don't fully understand the science. For example, you failed to understand that a 1,000 base indel is counted as a single mutation, not as 1,000 individual mutations. You also assume that populations always increase in number at a set rate. There is absolutely no science to back this up.
In other words, I would suggest some introductory jousting lessons before you go tilting at windmills, Don Quixote.
A complete misrepresentation of my posts. I never claimed any of this.
Of course you didn't claim, yourself, that you don't understand this stuff. It is apparent from what you write, to anyone who does understand this stuff, that you do not understand this stuff.
A: Hey man, 2 + 2 = 5
B: No, that's wrong. You don't understand math.
A: That's a misrepresentation. I never claimed that I don't understand math.
Huh?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 788 of 969 (740104)
11-01-2014 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by zaius137
11-01-2014 12:03 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
quote:
Humans are apes.
"However, science tells us that animals can have cognitive faculties that are superior to human beings."
Read more at: http://phys.org/...2-humans-smarter-animals-experts.html#jCp
This could explain my frustration as it relates to evolutionists.
What, gross and utter misunderstanding? What you replied with has nothing to do with what you replied to.
Humans being apes has nothing to do with other animals having cognitive faculties that are superior to humans.
"Ape" is just another classification like primate, mammal, chordate, and animal... all of which humans are.
How familiar are you with the scientific classification system for species?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 830 of 969 (740344)
11-04-2014 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 822 by sfs
11-03-2014 6:59 PM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
Multiply the mutation rate (= (number of mutations)/bp/generation) by the mean size of the mutation (= (number of bases changed)/mutation) and you'll get (number of bases changed)/bp/generation. Multiply that by the number of generations, and you've got k, the fraction of bases that differ (= (number of bases changed)/bp). For single-base substitutions, it doesn't matter, since it's 1 (base changed)/mutation.
Hey man,
Have you ever used LaTeX?
Percy put the coding in so we could use it here. With it, you can change your paragraph into formulas. Check it out:

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and\\
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mean\ size\ of\ the\ mutation = {number\ of\ bases\ changed \over mutation}\\
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so\\
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mutation\ rate \times mean\ size\ of\ the\ mutation\ =\\
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{number\ of\ mutations \over {bp \times generation}} \times {number\ of\ bases\ changed \over mutation}\\
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which\ gives\\
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{number\ of\ bases\ changed \over {bp \times generation}}
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Multiply\ that\ by\ the\ number\ of\ generations\ and\ you\ get\
\\
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k = {number\ of\ bases\ changed \over bp} [/latex]-->
Its kind of a bitch to type all the coding out, but once its done it looks a lot better.
Dontcha think?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 842 of 969 (740365)
11-04-2014 11:56 AM
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11-04-2014 11:46 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
Good post...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 862 of 969 (740415)
11-04-2014 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 860 by zaius137
11-04-2014 5:29 PM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
zaius137 writes:
I will be honest, ...
Is that the exception that proves the rule?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 930 of 969 (740736)
11-07-2014 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 928 by zaius137
11-07-2014 3:42 AM


Re: Secular scientists????????
You can believe in magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, Da Vinci codes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo and all that other weird stuff.
You missed one EVOLUTION

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 958 of 969 (741317)
11-11-2014 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by zaius137
11-01-2014 12:03 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
quote:
Humans are apes.
"However, science tells us that animals can have cognitive faculties that are superior to human beings."
Read more at: http://phys.org/...2-humans-smarter-animals-experts.html#jCp
This could explain my frustration as it relates to evolutionists.
How easily can you keep up with this chimp?
http://youtu.be/JkNV0rSndJ0

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 962 of 969 (741417)
11-12-2014 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Percy
11-12-2014 7:56 AM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.
I hope no one is missing what's most amazing, because it isn't the rapidity of the touches. It's that the chimp looks at the numbers for only a second before hitting the circle that replaces them with white boxes. The chimp not only knows the ordering of the digits 1-9, he can remember them positionally after just a glance.
Me too, that's what I meant by "keeping up" with him/her. On some of them, the numbers go white before I can ever read them all, let alone remember which one was where.
Now, I'm sure that if I practiced a bit then I could get up to speed. But still, I'd probably be doing a bit of concentrating and if you watch the chimp, they seem so nonchalant and their performance is effortless. They're even kinda looking around not really paying attention as they're doing the task.
That really amazes me.
People are occasionally born with amazing talents, and since we're just animals it shouldn't be surprising that the same is true of animals. This chimp's talents seem similar in nature to a human savant's.
I wish I remember where I ran across the video. We were talking about chimps, in general, having a better visual memory than humans, in general.
That is, I'm not sure there was anything special about this chimp in particular, and they may just excel at tasks like these.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 966 of 969 (741488)
11-12-2014 4:57 PM
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11-12-2014 4:54 PM


Re: Any real evidence for evolution, point on point.

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