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Message 76 of 373 (696850)
04-19-2013 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Son Goku
04-18-2013 6:12 PM


Re: Expansion of Space, not Everything
Does this mean space is being 'created'
Yes, essentially.
This is one of those things that is just impossible to understand.
if space is expanding, what is it expanding into? If it's making the space it's expanding into what from? And anyway, what does making space even mean??
No wonder people reach for the Goddit explanation.

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Message 84 of 373 (697631)
04-28-2013 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Son Goku
04-26-2013 9:31 AM


Re: Mass of spacetime.
Now you're just messing with us......

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Message 148 of 373 (740328)
11-04-2014 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by marc9000
11-03-2014 10:42 PM


marc writes:
But atheists dismiss spirituality.
No I don't. Neither do those atheist devils Dawkins and Harris. In fact Harris is always banging on about buddist meditation.
You need to re-position.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 154 of 373 (740432)
11-05-2014 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by marc9000
11-04-2014 8:26 PM


marc writes:
I've gotten them from reading at forums like this for years, and from a pretty thorough look at the opinions of scientific/atheist leaders, like Dawkins, Harris, Stenger, Provine, many others. All I see from all of it is nothing but naturalism, when it comes to the study of the natural world, and how societies should behave. No spirituality whatsoever.
You've got it from what's inside your head. For instance, Sam Harris has been writing about spiritualism and morality for years - he meditates and has studies Buddhism. He's also just published this book:
Dear Reader
I have been waiting for more than a decade to write Waking Up. Long before I saw any reason to criticize religion (The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation), or to connect moral and scientific truths (The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying), I was interested in the nature of human consciousness and the possibility of spiritual experience. In Waking Up, I do my best show that a certain form of spirituality is integral to understanding the nature of our minds.
There is no discrete self or ego living like a minotaur in the labyrinth of the brain. And the feeling that there isthe sense of being perched somewhere behind your eyes, looking out at a world that is separate from yourselfcan be altered or entirely extinguished. Although such experiences of self-transcendence are generally thought about in religious terms, there is nothing, in principle, irrational about them. From both a scientific and a philosophical point of view, they represent a clearer understanding of the way things are.
My hope is that Waking Up will help readers see the nature of their own minds in a new light. A rational approach to spirituality seems to be what is missing from secularism and from the lives of most of the people I meet. The purpose of this book is to offer readers a clear view of the problem, along with some tools to help them solve it for themselves.
I sincerely hope you find it useful.
Sam Harris
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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 178 of 373 (740722)
11-07-2014 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by marc9000
11-06-2014 9:26 PM


marc writes:
As I said, I've never been confronted with atheistic or scientific spirituality. Harris "has been waiting for more than a decade" - did he initiate the spirituality thing among secularists? Is this a new thing for Harris and Dawkins followers? As far as I know Harris specialty is more atheism than science, did he start this and the scientific community quickly jump on board? That wouldn't surprise me, the scientific community seems to quickly pick up on what atheists do, and vice-versa. Again, this could spawn all sorts of new topic proposals, but my time is limited these days.
No, you said that atheists dismiss spirituality and gave us a list of those you've studied that have done so.
I'm pointing out to you that a) you're wrong, b) that I don't belive you've read a thing any of them have written beyond snippets from creationist nonsense and c) that Sam Harris has always thought that spirituality is an important part of human life and culture.
You're making up stuff you prefer to believe about atheists - as you have just done in your reply above. Be honest with yourself.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 204 of 373 (740975)
11-08-2014 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by zaius137
11-08-2014 6:37 PM


Re: The hand of God
zaius137 writes:
If there is a good mathematician in the house maybe they can explain the context for the mathematical explanation given in this article. I do not have the mathematical background for that.
just popping in here to say that you're making a pretty large tactical error here; you're opening up several fronts but you have neither the weaponry nor the staff to do it. You're also exposing the great weaknesses of attempting a scientific attack on science - you need to know all of it. You need to be a proper expert in several fields of biology and genetics, palaeontology, geology, physics and astronomy and so on. You think you're smart enough to wing it, but you ain't - there are people here who do it for a living and they specialise.
That and the fact that ALL the various branches of science point to a very old earth - it's not enough to attempt to cast doubt on - say dendrochronology - you also have to deal with radio dating, the fossil record and geology. You have to explain why they all reconcile and back each other up - and in specific, evidenced-based terms. No vague hand waving. Good luck with all that.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 356 of 373 (741807)
11-14-2014 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 355 by Dr Adequate
11-14-2014 4:09 PM


Re: C-14 in coal and oil
Dr. A. writes:
What is your job?
Amateur smart-arse - lower grade.
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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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