Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

More absurdities from Faith.No, you can try to get the Constitution Amended. But you cannot vote in unconstitutional laws.

What you think is of course irrelevant. It is what the courts consider to be legitimate minority groups. Yes, the First Amendment was designed because people feared Christian dominion, particularly the Puritan and Calvinist minority found in New England.

Segregation WAS against the Constitution. That is not true of a ban on gay marriage..

Blacks and whites marrying was criminal.
Blacks, women or men without property voting, was criminal.
Helping a person escape slavery(or indentured servitude) was criminal.
Married women had absolutely no rights.Shall I continue?

Please show where either are mentioned in the Consitution.

Homosexuals are not a legitimate minority.Freedoms have been granted to all kinds of illegitimate causes in the last few decades though, that's the way the country has gone, which is why I say it's all yours now, there is no way anyone will persuade you back to the original intent of the Constitution at this late date. The courts are corrupted, have completely lost any sense of the original intent of the Constitution. The country is yours, it's yours, it's in the hands of the "progressives", so take us on your merry ride to total disaster. I can hardly wait.

Only after the Constitution was Amended Faith.Discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex is unconstitutional. Banning equal rights to same sex couples related to marriage is discrimination.

sex means male and female, not a sexual perversion.

LOLWhat YOU call a perversion, not what the SCOTUS considers a perversion.But Faith, what YOU think is a perversion is relevant only in relation to YOUR behavior. If you think same sex marriage is wrong then YOU are free not to marry someone of the same sex.And that is it Faith. Your bigotry is just that, bigotry. You are free to be a bigot. Your Church is free to be a church of bigots.But you are NOT free to decide who is a Christian or who other people wish to marry.AbE: And Faith, in case you didn't notice, a homosexual marriage is between two men or two women and discriminating against a same sex marriage by definition is sexual discrimination.And marriage is NEVER a religious contract in the US, it is a secular State sanctioned contract. Religions can bless, sanctify, acknowledge a marriage but it is the State license that validates a marriage and the State delegation that allows priests, pastors, ministers, and clergy to perform marriage ceremonies.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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Really it comes down to the fact that you all regard homosexuals as a legitimate minority group protected by the First Amendment and I don't.

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In fact it doesn't, but thank you for admitting that you think that you can decide who does and who does not have the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. It's implicit in what you've said but now you've made it plain. Even though you obviously have no idea what the First Amendment says.

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You also don't seem to care that Christians were originally the concern of the First Amendment, THE group that had been oppressed and persecuted in Europe and founded the nation on the concept of liberty and fought for that liberty in the Revolutionary War and wanted that liberty guaranteed in the Constitution of the new nation. You'll happily trash our rights for those of this other group you want to see protected.

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We don't believe the lies, of course. In reality the First Amendment was meant to apply to all religions. Although protecting Christians from other Christians was part of it. The Puritans oppression of the Catholics in Maryland is a case in point.But it is also a lie that we seek to deny your Constitutional rights. Now certainly you deny the segregationists - as Christian as you - the same rights that you claim. We, however dispute your claim - and we have arguments which you need to answer. You neither answer our arguments nor offer any reason why the segregationists can be denied their "rights" but not you.

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Be that as it may, in order for me to persuade you that gay marriage should not be supported I'd first have to prove that America was founded on Biblical principles, which I believe but couldn't possibly prove to any of you after a century of propaganda that claims otherwise.

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Funny how truths you want suppressed are always "propaganda"

That is your opinion (although to be frank, you're stretching the English language not to call it sex).In just the same way, it could be my opinion and those of others that your religion is not true Christianity, but a perversion of it.However, so far as your faith doesn't harm anyone, any such opinion would be irrelevant. As it happens, I defend your right to that faith, however much I disagree with some of your conclusions.Where I do draw a line, is where any faith causes harm to someone - and we have learnt, as a society, that discrimination causes harm to people. So we pass laws which prevent discrimination. Not because we want to attack your faith, but because peoples' opinions shouldn't be exercised in such a way as to harm others.You can argue that the laws can harm you, because they prevent you acting in accordance with you conscience, and that can be seen as harmful. Fair enough, but in these circumstances, we balance that harm to you against the harm caused by discrimination - and discrimination wins.I could have no greater respect for someone, than I would have for a fundamentalist Christian, who said to a gay couple, with a smile on his or her face, "you know what, I don't agree with what you do, and I think it's contrary to God's law, but I know you guys love each other, so knock yourselves out - get yourselves married, be happy and fulfilled and I'll bake you your cake, you great heathens !" That would be true love for your fellow man.

Just out of curiosity, what should be done with those of us who will go on saying that homosexuality is a sin that will be punished by God if the person doesn't repent and turn to Christ, and that gay marriage is a violation of God's laws that can only bring His judgment against a nation? Or any form of preaching the gospel of Christ and Biblical truth in the public square for that matter. According to your way of construing all this will we continue to have that right or be punished for it?And by the way, it isn't just my opinion, "Sex" always meant male and female. It's been replaced by the wrong term "gender" which may be the cause of the confusion. It means male and female, period, it has nothing to do with the subjective stuff concerning sexuality.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Just out of curiosity, what should be done with those of us who will go on saying that homosexuality is a sin that will be punished by God if the person doesn't repent and turn to Christ, and that gay marriage is a violation of God's laws that can only bring His judgment against a nation? According to your way of construing all this will we continue to have that right or be punished for it?

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So long as you don't go off into territory that does break the law, or agreements you've made of course you're free to say that in the US, and I wouldn't want that to change. But passing a law against gay marriage on that basis is also against the U.S. Constitution, so you cannot expect that, nor fairly rail against the courts for denying it.

And what if I continue to rail against the courts?