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Tangle
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Message 946 of 1309 (741852)
11-15-2014 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 943 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:18 AM


qs writes:
Just out of curiosity, what should be done with those of us who will go on saying that homosexuality is a sin that will be punished by God if the person doesn't repent and turn to Christ, and that gay marriage is a violation of God's laws that can only bring His judgment against a nation?
If you're asking for opinions, those that think like that can go on thinking like that. You can go on saying it and the rest of society will laugh at you. In a generation or so those that think that way will have disappeared because it's so obviously an immoral, plain ignorant and out-of-time position.
Btw, how can being a homosexual be a sin? How can they repent from being homosexual? You might as well as for someone to repent for being black.
Or any form of preaching the gospel of Christ and Biblical truth in the public square for that matter. According to your way of construing all this will we construing all this will we continue to have that right or be punished for it?
You have the right to say whatever you want in the public square, so long as you don't do anything to cause a breach of the peace. I really wish your lot would do it more often - the more people see and hear these laughable ideas, the more quickly they'll be gone from society.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Modulous
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Message 947 of 1309 (741853)
11-15-2014 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 945 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:34 AM


And what if I continue to rail against the courts?
I expect the same thing as happens with the atheists who continue to rail against the courts. Some people will criticize them, some will agree with them. Eventually things might change, or they might not. As long as it is protected speech, then only social consequences will follow.
Inciting or engaging in violence, harassment and what have you can have legal consequences.

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PaulK
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Message 948 of 1309 (741855)
11-15-2014 8:42 AM
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11-15-2014 8:34 AM


We'll see you for what you are. And you'll complain bitterly about that, too.

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Faith 
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Message 949 of 1309 (741856)
11-15-2014 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 946 by Tangle
11-15-2014 8:40 AM


It's homosexual acts that are the sin, sorry if I wasn't clear, and those can be repented of. I admit it must be hard, but heterosexuals also have to deny themselves sex outside of legitimate marriage.

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jar
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Message 950 of 1309 (741858)
11-15-2014 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 943 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:18 AM


You will be free to remain as ignorant as you wish.
Faith writes:
Just out of curiosity, what should be done with those of us who will go on saying that homosexuality is a sin that will be punished by God if the person doesn't repent and turn to Christ, and that gay marriage is a violation of God's laws that can only bring His judgment against a nation? Or any form of preaching the gospel of Christ and Biblical truth in the public square for that matter. According to your way of construing all this will we continue to have that right or be punished for it?
Of course you will continue to be as stupid as you wish. The evidence for that is overwhelming. Roman Catholics are still free to not recognize marriage between divorced couples, to deny marrying people that are not both Roman Catholic. You can be as silly and bigoted as you wish.
Remember Fred Phelps, a good Christian, was free to continue spewing utter nonsense and his family continues to have such freedom.
Faith writes:
And by the way, it isn't just my opinion, "Sex" always meant male and female. It's been replaced by the wrong term "gender" which may be the cause of the confusion. It means male and female, period, it has nothing to do with the subjective stuff concerning sexuality.
No one has denied that male and female are descriptors of human sexes, and no one is trying to change that. When two males marry one does not become a woman; when two women marry one does not become a male.
Of course in reality there are far more than just two sexes in nature.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 951 of 1309 (741859)
11-15-2014 8:50 AM
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11-15-2014 8:34 AM


You may continue to be as ignorant as you wish.
Faith writes:
And what if I continue to rail against the courts?
Of course you will remain free to rail against the courts.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 952 of 1309 (741860)
11-15-2014 8:51 AM


But we can't run businesses if we won't provide services for gay marriage. Will we be allowed to walk on the sidewalks or can LGBTs shove us into the gutter as Muslims do?

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Tangle
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Message 953 of 1309 (741862)
11-15-2014 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 949 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:44 AM


I admit it must be hard, but heterosexuals also have to deny themselves sex outside of legitimate marriage.
Yeh, right, we all did that didn't we?
I sometimes wonder what century you live in. I believe you're 70ish? You wouldn't be out of place in the 17th century.
Sex, by-the-way, is quite nice - you should try it some time.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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PaulK
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Message 954 of 1309 (741863)
11-15-2014 8:57 AM
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11-15-2014 8:51 AM


Just as you aren't free to declare your businesses "whites only". It's the same law.

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jar
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Message 955 of 1309 (741866)
11-15-2014 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 952 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:51 AM


You will be free to walk the sidewalk.
Faith writes:
But we can't run businesses if we won't provide services for gay marriage. Will we be allowed to walk on the sidewalks or can LGBTs shove us into the gutter as Muslims do?
You will be able to walk the sidewalks but you will not be free to discriminate.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tangle
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Message 956 of 1309 (741870)
11-15-2014 9:20 AM
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11-15-2014 8:44 AM


Faith writes:
It's homosexual acts that are the sin, sorry if I wasn't clear, and those can be repented of. I admit it must be hard, but heterosexuals also have to deny themselves sex outside of legitimate marriage.
At least you seem to accept that being homosexual is not something that is a choice. But that gives you a problem, given your belief that god is responsible for everything, he must have made homosexuals. If he made them, he must approve of them, how can sexual acts between them then be a sin?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Coyote
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Message 957 of 1309 (741872)
11-15-2014 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 949 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:44 AM


On sin...
It's homosexual acts that are the sin, sorry if I wasn't clear, and those can be repented of. I admit it must be hard, but heterosexuals also have to deny themselves sex outside of legitimate marriage.
Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid.)
― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Astrophile
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Message 958 of 1309 (741873)
11-15-2014 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 953 by Tangle
11-15-2014 8:54 AM


I sometimes wonder what century you live in. I believe you're 70ish? You wouldn't be out of place in the 17th century.
Faith probably would be out of place in the 17th century; that was the time of King Charles II and Nell Gwyn, of King James II and Arabella Churchill, to say nothing of the future Queen Anne and the Duchess of Marlborough. It was also the time of 'The White Devil' by John Webster, 'Women Beware Women' by Thomas Middleton, and ''Tis Pity She's A Whore' by John Ford. No, keep Faith in the 20th and 21 centuries; she's much safer here.

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Theodoric
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Message 959 of 1309 (741875)
11-15-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 949 by Faith
11-15-2014 8:44 AM


but heterosexuals also have to deny themselves sex outside of legitimate marriage.
No they don't. If this is a criteria for your heaven, not many people will be there.
I was married in a civil ceremony, no religious ceremony at all, does this mean my wife and I are living in sin and she is going to hell?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 960 of 1309 (741876)
11-15-2014 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 958 by Astrophile
11-15-2014 10:34 AM


A lot of our current social mores are actually quite new historically. The 19th century victorian age is responsible for the some of the utter prudishness we see today. There was never this golden age of strict social mores that Faith and other fundies harken back to.
That time actually never existed.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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