The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance

No. Jesus was always talking to Jews about Jewish issues, beliefs and general behavior.Again, investigate Talmudic Discourse to understand what Jesus was doing in the context of Judaism.Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : fix spelling in sub-title

There was a Muslim prayer service just recently at the National Cathedral that was interrupted by a female Christian heckler.

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Nevertheless, the carefully scripted ceremony was marred once when one well-dressed, middle-age woman in the audience suddenly rose and began shouting that America was founded on Christian principles. . . . Leave our church alone! She was swiftly ushered out by security aides, and the service continued.

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SourceBeside the fact that the woman was factually wrong was it wrong based on what Paul is likely to have written and your personal beliefs?

Ah but Faith, the National Cathedral is an Episcopal Church and has Darth Vader as one of the Grotesques.I imagine you can provide evidence and dates for when rites of Baal were held at the Washington National Cathedral or are just jess making shit up again?Seems you have heroes in low places.

Not just quality of life but also morality. Today the typical westerner is far more moral than Jesus.AbE:Today we would not say "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" but rather "You can't stone folk period".Edited by jar, : add morality example.

Try truth Faith. Bullshit Faith. Utter bullshit.Baal was a simple honorific of several semitic tribes meaning "Lord" or "Master" or maybe you were thinking of the character created in the 17th century as one of the seven lords of hell. Or maybe you meant the Baal that was a Canaanite diety.But none of those were used or represented in the 9-11 service.And despite your continued misrepresentation and denial of the truth the Protestant Episcopal Church is not simply Christian but has the legitimacy conferred by actually being in the Apostolic Succession.

LOLBut Allah is just the God of Abraham, the same God Jesus worshiped and prayed to.

Ah yes, Faith New Speak.Sorry Faith but Allah just like Baal is simply a generic term.You are of course free to spout your fantasies but Islam is still one of the three Judaic faiths.

Yet you claim to have read the Nicene Creed.

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For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

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And was made man.Not man/god, not god disguised as man but man. Just man. A man with morals of his era, who lost his temper, snapped at his mom, used the resources of his friends to buy oils of himself.

I believe that while Jesus was alive here on earth Jesus was simply human, nothing but human. To me that is the only way to make sense of the message of resurrection. Gods can't get killed by mere mortals. If the pretend to die, allow something like death, but are really God then it is no big deal. It also says absolutely nothing about the possibility of there being some afterlife for humans.Unless Jesus was fully and solely human while here on earth the whole message is but a sham, a fraud, a con job.

Ah, but there is such a thing as Faith and not all beliefs need be support by evidence, reasonable, logical or even rational.

I really don't have an answer for that particularly since the Biblical accounts are all so different, contradictory and mutually exclusive.The 1st Corinthians account was likely the earliest and is a reporting it seems of what the common dogma of the day included.

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3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

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4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

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5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

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6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

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7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

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It says that Jesus rose but gives no details other than that something was seen by more than one person.Then there is the account in Matthew and the long ending account in Mark.The story evolves over time as I have pointed out many times here at EvC (see The evolution of the Great Commission over time.) as the Great Commission finally ending up with the totally different version found in John. With each iteration the story changes from a simple statement of an event to a commandment to go and do with no promise of any reward to one where folk are given the ability to perform miracles and to grant or deny salvation.With each version the woo factor went up and the personal duty and responsibility factor went down.

The last part about not being confined to our space time universe pretty much precludes any physical being and it certainly is NOT common to all of the various accounts.AbE: sorry missed the second question.I have no idea whether or not what you describe was right and disagree that there was much agreement between the stories beyond it being something people that actually knew Jesus could recognize as Jesus.Edited by jar, : see AbE

LoLWhen it comes to things I can't see or test then Faith is the only other option. You believe, don't believe, are unsure or believe it really doesn't matter.Did Jesus exist in any form before he was born? No idea, don't see any way it might matter.When Jesus was alive here on earth was he fully and only human? In my belief, yes. That is the only way I can see for the story to have any value or worth to humans.Was Jesus physically present after the resurrection? No idea and the stories have so many contradictions and inconsistencies I see no way to make even a guess on the matter. And I also can't see how it makes any differences to humans.Is Jesus alive after the ascension? Again I can see absolutely no way or reason to say Jesus was or is alive after the ascension but can say Jesus would definitely not be human at that time.

I'm not sure Ghandi would be anyone someone could worship.And the Buddha is not really an object of worship either.But what is wrong with being a moral philosopher?Does being a Christian mean you cannot learn from the Eight Fold Path or the writings of Mencius and Confucius or from the Qur'an or the Greek, Roman, Germanic mythologies?Are the teachings of Jesus not a worthy path and guide to how to live ones life?AbE: and what part of "ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God" corresponds to either Ghandi or Buddha?Edited by jar, : see AbE:

There are two instances.There is resurrection where as I have pointed out there are conflicting and mutually exclusive descriptions.But then there is ascension and it is only the Ascension that implies any existence after death, any "heaven".If the resurrection happened I do not see how it makes any difference what form Jesus took.