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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bet he's assuming that the alleged water didn't rotate along with the Earth. If so that should be submitted to FSTDT.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
I have failed, but I still dare to have an opinion. Such arrogance to claim to have one's own mind, independent of dependents.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
Opinions are for ice cream. Subjectively, nobody can prove that their favorite is better than mine. I have failed, but I still dare to have an opinion. Objectively, opinions don't trump facts. Holding an opinion that defies facts isn't daring; it's just foolish.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Colbard writes: ...I still dare to have an opinion. You're anonymous on the Internet, hardly daring. Showing your family how you're behaving like an idiot on the Internet, now that would be daring.
Such arrogance to claim to have one's own mind, independent of dependents. Again, you're anonymous on the Internet, there are no consequences for arrogance or idiocy. Jumping off a building because of your independent thinking on the subject of gravity, now that would be daring. So can we assume that as far as the topic goes that you're done? --Percy
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Ringo writes: Opinions are for ice cream. Subjectively, nobody can prove that their favorite is better than mine.Objectively, opinions don't trump facts. Holding an opinion that defies facts isn't daring; it's just foolish. In real life, opinions do matter because your opinions are formed by who you are and your life experiences. To say that your opinions don't matter is to say that you don't matter, which is one of my primary objections to so called 'scientific method' It reduces a person's value by counting their opinion as nothing better than hot air, and then it shoves a grotesque theory called evolution down their neck and tells them that if they don't swallow, they won't graduate. Sounds like communistic education to me.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Colbard writes: Ringo writes: Objectively, opinions don't trump facts. Holding an opinion that defies facts isn't daring; it's just foolish. In real life, opinions do matter because your opinions are formed by who you are and your life experiences. To say that your opinions don't matter is to say that you don't matter, which is one of my primary objections to so called 'scientific method' When you're ready to show us how your opinions can change facts (which is what Ringo was actually talking about) you let us know. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
Your opinions about ice cream do matter - just ask Ben or Jerry. To say that your opinions don't matter is to say that you don't matter, which is one of my primary objections to so called 'scientific method' What I'm saying is that your opinions don't matter to science - and necesarily so. By trying to inject your opinions into science, you're the one who's devaluing everybody else's opinion. Science can only draw useful conclusions by coming to a consensus on what is "true" - i.e. by eliminating individual opinions.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It reduces a person's value by counting their opinion as nothing better than hot air, and then it shoves a grotesque theory called evolution down their neck and tells them that if they don't swallow, they won't graduate. You don't have to accept evolution to graduate. It's possible that not being able to understand the theory of evolution well enough to answer a couple of test questions may impact your ability to graduate. But only if you missed a whole bunch of other stuff. As for your opinion, in what field does your opinion actually mean anything? I submit that it is not just your science opinion that is likely worthless.
Sounds like communistic education to me. Yikes. Prime example of a zero value opinion.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Ringo writes: Science can only draw useful conclusions by coming to a consensus on what is "true" - i.e. by eliminating individual opinions. A process of elimination, yes it has value, but what if the majority of the consensus board are wrong? That's my dislike.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes: When you're ready to show us how your opinions can change facts (which is what Ringo was actually talking about) you let us know. The facts accepted are those derived by the majority or whatever, but are they always facts because of that decision and review? No. The same authority exercised over knowledge and education in the dark ages has crept back in to dominate the so called age of enlightenment, except instead of taking the false religion road, it has taken the 'scientific' road, which the world wants to save the future? Talk about false worship in both scenarios.The antichrist, then atheism.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Colbard writes: Percy writes:
The facts accepted are those derived by the majority or whatever, but are they always facts because of that decision and review? No. When you're ready to show us how your opinions can change facts (which is what Ringo was actually talking about) you let us know. Well, now you're saying something completely unrelated to what you started with. In Message 40 you said, "I took it for granted that you would know why the waters in the flood circulated around the globe from west to east?", and when I asked you to tell us why you answered in Message 45 that it was actually just your opinion, and you expanded on that just a little in Message 47. Ringo pointed out that opinions don't trump facts, and the facts say that there is absolutely no evidence for the Biblical flood, let alone that the non-existent flood waters circulated around the globe from west to east. So now over the past couple days you've been letting the cat out of bag and revealing that the real source of your objections is that you're anti-science, but this thread is about new evidence for the fountains of the deep. Your belief that science is a false religion taking us down the road to the Antichrist and atheism isn't relevant. --Percy
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes: So now over the past couple days you've been letting the cat out of bag and revealing that the real source of your objections is that you're anti-science, but this thread is about new evidence for the fountains of the deep. Your belief that science is a false religion taking us down the road to the Antichrist and atheism isn't relevant. I let that argument about the direction of water flow go with the statement "It's just my opinion" because I knew it was pointless to go any further, since none of the responses showed any understanding of the basics of atmospheric air flow, ocean currents, etc I am not anti science, but there are influences in the world which have created error both in the religious world and in the scientific world. If you are not aware of that, it would explain your general dismissal of what I post. And I am not prepared to argue on those points where there is no resolution close at hand. Edited by Colbard, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Colbard writes: I let that argument about the direction of water flow go with the statement "It's just my opinion" because I knew it was pointless to go any further, since none of the responses showed any understanding of the basics of atmospheric air flow, ocean currents, etc Well, that's a pretty weird thing to say. You haven't even mentioned the topics of "atmospheric air flow" and "ocean currents" in this thread. Why would you expect anyone to just randomly pipe up and say things about them?
I am not anti science, but there are influences in the world which have created error both in the religious world and in the scientific world. If you are not aware of that, it would explain your general dismissal of what I post. And I am not prepared to argue on those points where there is no resolution close at hand. It really doesn't matter whether you're prepared to argue this or not, because it's not the topic of this thread. Do you have new evidence for the fountains of the deep or not? If not then I think you're done. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
You answered your own question: It's a process; it's ongoing. ringo writes: A process of elimination, yes it has value, but what if the majority of the consensus board are wrong? Science can only draw useful conclusions by coming to a consensus on what is "true" - i.e. by eliminating individual opinions. Yes, the consensus might be wrong one day. Then the next day new evdence comes in and the consensus may still be wrong. But eventually, with enough new evidence, the concensus should move toward "truth". What other method would you propose to improve it?
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3412 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes: It really doesn't matter whether you're prepared to argue this or not, because it's not the topic of this thread. Do you have new evidence for the fountains of the deep or not? If not then I think you're done. I do have a lot to post, but you do not, and will not, acknowledge the truth in it by reasoning and working things out, neither will you give my sources any credit, so no, I will keep it for someone who is willing and able to understand.
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