The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance

I asked and it was one of the points she evaded. But probably only because she doesn't know.

Who are these authors? Do you know their names? If so it was your evidence for that attribution? When did they write they the stories? Who or what were their sources? What else did they write so we can check their accuracy and reliability?

I think it is the beginning of Mark. Not sure chapter and verse. Dont feel like reading mythology right now.

Message 466 and Matthew 4:17

But of course he was wrong Faith, wasn't he, the kingdom of God was not at hand and still is not at hand plus not one of the Gospels even existed when Jesus was supposed to have said that.

So, the only thing that Jesus was asking anyone to believe was the "good news". Which in context seems to be that "the Kingdom of God is at hand". Your long list in Message 463 goes well beyond that, just as I expected.

The kingdom of God had come because the Messiah had come; he was announcing himself.

[Msg=463] was a partial list of what must be believed in the Bible, and I think many promises and prophecies could be added to it; I hadn't mentioned what Jesus said there. He didn't give all the things we are to believe in, but his message was to repent and believe.ABE: to believe in Him is the main thing and He many times tells them all to believe in Him. The Kingdom has come because the King has come, not in complete fullness, but it has arrived, the Messiah they'd been waiting for, who is its spearhead as it were, and will usher it in fully when He returns. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thanks.You realize that Jesus is not talking about believing in the Bible, right?What do you mean by saying that the other stuff can't follow if you don't repent and believe?How does that follow from what Jesus said?

So it jess came and went?Oh come on Faith.

So you confirm that Jesus is a failed Messiah! Great.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Jesus is talking about believing in Himself.But I'm talking about belief as such being what the Christian life is largely about. Read it and believe it. Instead of subjecting it to a million doubts, just read it and believe it. There will be parts you don't understand, don't try to understand them without help. That's what the "simple honest heart" I'm talking about does. Reads and believes and doesn't go beyond his own limits.Belief is the main thing we are called to do, and I think it relevant that Jesus began His preaching with the message to repent and believe in Him.The list of things I gave in Message 463 are things we are to believe or have faith in, which we can only learn about from the Bible. Of course we are to believe the Bible is the word of God for starters.It is considered to be well understood that nobody can really obey the commandments of God in our fallen state, we must be born again to be able to obey and then we do it in God's power, not our own.

Remember it's mostly Calvinists that are fallen, the rest of us Christians understand there is no Fall in the Biblical stories.

You're effectively taking Christ out of your Christianity, and replacing Him with the Bible.Rather than believing in Him, and thus doing what he says, you focus on believing in the words that you read in the Bible.If Jesus were posting, he'd tell you to stop worrying about all that believing what you read stuff and instead get up and go out and make good in the world. Go feed hungry people, etc.When Jesus talks about believing in Himself, He means that you have to trust that He's delivering the true message, and thus follow what he say to do. He says to go help people in need, not believe what the words in the Bible say.You say that the "rest of it" follows from believing, but people who don't believe can and do go help people in need. And its actually you Biblicans, or christians who focus on believing the words in the Bible instead of following Jesus' example, are the one's who seem to be unable to do the rest of it.

How very odd. Obviously by your reasoning we aren't supposed to help people in need either, because those words are in the Bible. And we can forget about "judge not..."