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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
Faith 
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Message 601 of 2241 (742045)
11-16-2014 2:38 PM
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11-16-2014 2:05 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
It may indicate that you sincerely believe in your religion; it does not in any way indicate that there's any truth to it.
It should, if you have any sense of human psychology. And I'm not talking about suicide missions that are basically homicidal and are over and done with in a flash, I'm talking about being willing to die horrendous torturous deaths at the hands of others, which is what Christians down through the centuries have endured. No, you do not die that way just out of a superficial belief -- you KNOW it's the truth.

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Message 602 of 2241 (742048)
11-16-2014 2:42 PM
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11-16-2014 2:38 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
Faith writes:
No, you do not die that way just out of a superficial belief -- you KNOW it's the truth.
That's exactly the point: how absolutely positively sure you are has nothing to do with whether or not it's true. You can be absolutely, positively sure of a lie. That's why every religion has its martyrs.

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Faith 
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Message 603 of 2241 (742083)
11-16-2014 6:07 PM
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11-16-2014 2:42 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
Of course my point was the opposite, it IS evidence that it's the truth that so many would be willing to die that way, and many took it that way historically as a matter of fact: That so many were persuaded to that degree of willingness to suffer for it convinced others it must be true. Perhaps nothing would persuade you, of course.

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Faith 
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Message 604 of 2241 (742086)
11-16-2014 6:34 PM
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11-16-2014 6:07 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
deleted original message. I wish arguing these things changed anybody's mind but it doesn't so I'm stopping.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 605 of 2241 (742124)
11-17-2014 11:19 AM
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11-16-2014 6:07 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
Faith writes:
Of course my point was the opposite....
I know your point is the opposite. Your point is wrong.
If belief was evidence of truth there, why are there so many people dying for so many different "truths"?

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Message 606 of 2241 (742768)
11-24-2014 2:52 PM
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11-17-2014 11:19 AM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
If belief was evidence of truth there, why are there so many people dying for so many different "truths"?
Ain't that the truth? (that being willing to die for it bears no correlation to the truth of a cause). So many examples, where does one start?

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Faith 
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Message 607 of 2241 (742770)
11-24-2014 3:00 PM
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11-17-2014 11:19 AM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
There simply are NOT "so many people willing to die for so many truths." Muslims will blow themselves up in the service of killing others, but they aren't dying for their beliefs at the hands of others, they are doing all the murdering. And who else is there who is "dying for truth" except the Christians all over the world that the Muslims are murdering? And the fifty million the RCC murdered during the Inquisition? They also murdered 17 million others, Jews, Muslims, witches etc., so there are some others who died instead of give up their belief but the Christians far outnumber those.

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deerbreh
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Message 608 of 2241 (742782)
11-24-2014 4:40 PM
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11-24-2014 3:00 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
You have a very narrow view of what it means to die for "truth." Everyone who volunteers to join an army is demonstrating a willingness to die for their version of the truth.

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Faith 
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Message 609 of 2241 (742785)
11-24-2014 4:50 PM
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11-24-2014 4:40 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
I don't know, can you compare dying for your country to dying for a belief system?

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Taq
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Message 610 of 2241 (742797)
11-24-2014 6:09 PM
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11-24-2014 4:50 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
I don't know, can you compare dying for your country to dying for a belief system?
At least you can show that a country exists. Not so for deities.

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Faith 
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Message 611 of 2241 (742806)
11-24-2014 9:37 PM
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11-24-2014 6:09 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
At least you can show that a country exists. Not so for deities.
But that's the point: dying for your country is really easier than dying for an unproveable God, that's why I say there's no comparison.

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Message 612 of 2241 (742807)
11-24-2014 9:45 PM
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11-24-2014 9:37 PM


Dying for a God is jess plain stupid
Sorry but dying for some God have to be the ultimate in stupidity.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 613 of 2241 (742808)
11-24-2014 9:53 PM
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11-24-2014 9:45 PM


Re: Dying for a God is jess plain stupid
I'm looking forward to meeting at least fifty million of such stupid people some day.

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Message 614 of 2241 (742809)
11-24-2014 9:54 PM
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11-24-2014 3:00 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
Muslims will blow themselves up in the service of killing others, but they aren't dying for their beliefs at the hands of others, they are doing all the murdering.
You've overlooked the who Sunni/Shia mess haven't you?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 615 of 2241 (742810)
11-24-2014 9:56 PM
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11-24-2014 9:54 PM


Re: Some sermons on inspiration and inerrancy that back me up
I don't know, perhaps you can enlighten me?

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