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Author Topic:   Destiny is a reality.
Stile
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Message 20 of 84 (742998)
11-26-2014 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by bee
11-24-2014 11:55 PM


Personal Destiny
bee writes:
Destiny, I believe, exists. But I also believe strongly that not everyone fulfills their destinies.
Those who do decide to fulfill them, live a rich and meaningful life...
I agree with you.
I think, anyway...
I agree with what I think you're talking about
I don't call it "destiny" though, because that word doesn't really fit.
It carries too many pre-destination connotations with it that don't quite align with what I think you're trying to get at.
Like when you say "not everyone fulfills their destinies."
This remark alone implies that you are using some sort of definition of "destiny" that is not what is normally meant.
Normally, "destiny" refers to an unavoidable future. If it really is unavoidable, then it would be impossible for anyone to not fulfill their destiny.
There's a slightly different version of the word though... "destiny" can refer to a future that you're supposed to have. Whether or not you take the path to that future is up to you (or is sometimes out of your control, even)... it is easily avoidable, and can sometimes be hard to find.
This definition of "destiny" I agree with. I just don't call it destiny - I'd call it being honest with yourself and using self-reflection to find out what it is you actually, really want out of life.
For example:
Let's say Phil wants to be a mechanic. He loves tinkering with physical tools and such and he enjoys it immensely.
But Phil's dad was a radio talk-show host.
Phil's dad trains Phil to be a radio talk-show host because that's all he knows.
Now Phil has two choices - become a mechanic or become a radio talk-show host.
It's obvious here that if Phil decides to become a mechanic, he has a much greater chance of living "a rich and meaningful life" because he's doing something that he wants to do... something that aligns with his inner self.
If Phil becomes a radio talk-show host, he'll always have a nagging suspicion that he should actually be a mechanic. He has a large chance to become frustrated and resentful towards being a radio talk-show host just because he knows he'd rather be a mechanic.
Now, that's a really simple example.
Real life is more complicated and it's not so easy to "just know" that you want to be a mechanic or a radio talk-show host or whatever.
The path, though, to living a rich and meaningful life, is making sure that you are making the important decisions that affect the important aspects of your life.
(Importance here is also determined by you)
This way, you are doing what you want. That alone carries a certain level of self-fulfillment with it.
Honestly figuring out what it is you want in life is something much easier said than done. But the fact remains that you are the only person who can do it

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Stile
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Message 21 of 84 (742999)
11-26-2014 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by bee
11-25-2014 9:23 PM


Re: Destiny 101
bee writes:
That, combined with my deep Christian devotion, made me believe that there is more to life than playing video games.
Perhaps for you.
For someone who's destiny is to play video games, though... that is the path for them to live a rich and meaningful life.
Don't think that something you subjectively don't like is somehow objectively lesser.
That only leads to confusion.
Who knows? Maybe you just don't understand how to play video games in the right way to gain a rich and meaningful life out of them.
It's okay, I'm sure video games aren't for everyone.
But to say that they're for no one... well, that's just nave and immature.

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Stile
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Message 65 of 84 (743086)
11-26-2014 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by bee
11-26-2014 11:34 AM


Re: Personal Destiny
Heh...
Um, I don't know if you're saying I actually got it right and I do understand you, or if you're making fun of me

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Stile
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Message 66 of 84 (743087)
11-26-2014 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by bee
11-26-2014 11:35 AM


Re: Destiny 101
bee writes:
I gave a bad example. I'm sorry.
No worries, it's just a discussion board.
Sorry if I came off all authoritative and junk, it wasn't my intention.

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Stile
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Message 80 of 84 (743132)
11-27-2014 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by bee
11-26-2014 4:00 PM


Re: Personal Destiny
bee writes:
Tempe 12ft Chicken writes:
This is why I have been asking you to differentiate between "something that we as humans use our own logic and reason to determine the path that makes the most sense for us based on previous experience and lessons" when compared with "something that someone else planned for you, regardless of whether or not you will attain it."
So like, I actually believe the latter. God Himself, in my opinion, determines what we should do. And then, either we do what we should do, thereby fulfilling our destinies, or we don't, thereby not fulfilling and ending up becoming miserable losers.
I think this is good, you know what you believe, and you're moving in that direction.
I think this is a healthy aspect for you.
My point is that this is a healthy aspect for you.
There's nothing that points to this as an objectively better way to go over any other possible path.
Not all humans are the same. Perhaps Tempe's "former" position is better for someone else... not believing in God but instead looking around us and understanding the environment we can interact with.
I only ask that you allow others the same freedom that's working so well for you... to use their own best judgment of self-reflection to choose whatever path is best for them.
If you simply say that your choice is best for you, you will find a lot of support.
If you try to move into the territory of claiming that your choice is best for other people as well... you'll need some actual, objective evidence to back that up. Your word or say-so just isn't good enough for other people, and it shouldn't be... that would be equivalent to them taking your path just because you said so instead of using self-reflection in order to find the path that best aligns with who they are on the inside. Which we know has a high likelihood of leaving them "unfulfilled."

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