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JonF
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Message 7 of 106 (699424)
05-19-2013 12:04 PM


Basic thermodynamics
I remind you of what Walt Brown forgot; there is a well established science of thermodynamics and an extremely well established science of the properties of water. Ever hear of the Age of Steam?
Releasing that "water" (see below), dropping the pressure from thousands of psi miles below the surface to atmospheric pressure, would immediately flash it to super-superheated steam. Using what we call a "control volume" concept, think of an imaginary box buried in the earth, with the water coming in one end and the super-superheated steam coming out the other. There's nothing created or destroyed inside the box, and steam at atmospheric pressure occupies a lot more volume than liquid water, so the steam has to come out a freakin' boatload faster than the water comes in, eroding the cr*p out of the sides of whatever it's flowing through.
Glenn Morton did some calculations for Brown's early model (see part 3). The result is going to be about the same for any scenario you propose:
  • The steam is going to come out at supersonic speed, almost certainly above escape velocity. So all the "water" will wind up out it space.
  • A phenomenon called "entrainment" will remove most or all of the atmosphere along with these jets of super-superheated steam, and probably all the water on the surface of the Earth, in windstorms that make Katrina look like a butterfly burp.
  • Even if you figure out a way for the water to wind up on the surface of the Earth (if you want it to fall back don't forget to convert its potential energy to heat), the mixing of the atmosphere with this steam by entrainment is going to raise the temperature and pressure at the surface of the Earth to hundreds of degrees F (or C) and tens of atmospheres.
  • Noah and crew are parboiled, torn to pieces by unimaginable winds, and well on their way to the farthest reaches of the Universe. In little teeny pieces, of course.
If you read the scientific articles on this subject, you'll see that there aren't any puddles of water in the mantle. Individual water molecules are stored in hydrated minerals and crystal defects or dissolved in minerals. It doesn't come out as liquid or gaseous water spontaneously. Nor is it easy to remove
So, what about that heat problem? And the supersonic super-superheated steam? What mechanism extracted the water from its bonds? And how did the mantle get connected to the surface?
It just doesn't work.
See Walt Brown’s Hydropate Theory for a brief critique of the even-more-ridiculous scenario Walt Brown came up with to "escape" (hee hee hee) these issues. We've already hashed a lot of this out in the now read-only Where Did The (Great Flood) Water Come From And Where Did It Go? thread.
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Edited by JonF, : spelling

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JonF
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Message 11 of 106 (699433)
05-19-2013 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by AZPaul3
05-19-2013 3:11 PM


Re: Basic thermodynamics
Show your calculations.
Are you proposing that the "fountains" blew out only through the poles?

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JonF
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Message 24 of 106 (736205)
09-05-2014 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Colbard
09-04-2014 10:52 PM


Re: Water in the earth
These craters lack any evidence of a meteor...
Shocked quartz. And more.
...but have seams of iron formed by this kind of explosion
References please, for the seams of iron existing and the claim that they are formed in that manner.
is taken for granted that the earth today is filled with molten lava
Nope. Essentially all of the mantle is solid (but plastic)

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JonF
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Message 44 of 106 (736286)
09-06-2014 11:44 AM
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09-05-2014 9:33 PM


Re: Water in the earth
"Google it" is not a reference, and googling one crater cannot establish a pattern common to all or many craters. Fail.
Still waiting for references.
I see you have avoided evidence of meteor impacts such as shocked quartz, impact metamorphosis,...
Boring. Assertion on assertion and not even a feeble attempt at support.

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JonF
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Message 46 of 106 (736288)
09-06-2014 11:48 AM
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09-06-2014 9:45 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
Bet he's assuming that the alleged water didn't rotate along with the Earth. If so that should be submitted to FSTDT.

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Message 76 of 106 (743356)
11-30-2014 8:32 AM


You left off at having not produced anything.

  
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Message 88 of 106 (743965)
12-06-2014 11:20 AM
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12-06-2014 5:15 AM


Re: On topic
Justifying your conclusions about the fountains of the deep is the topic of this thread. I guess you'll never approach that.

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