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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 578 (743650)
12-02-2014 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
12-02-2014 10:23 PM


Then as you fall within the set of "anyone", you'll have no trouble coming up with an implicit association test that gives the exact opposite result.
Let us know how you get on.
What this has to do with "push polling" you do not explain.

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Message 21 of 578 (743719)
12-03-2014 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Jon
12-03-2014 3:34 PM


The police are charged with protecting the public; sometimes that means shooting first and asking questions later.
How often is sometimes?
Police In England And Wales Went Two Years Without Fatally Shooting Someone | FiveThirtyEight

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Message 23 of 578 (743739)
12-03-2014 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by RAZD
12-03-2014 11:11 PM


The cartoon linked in the comments says it all.
http://i.kinja-img.com/..._80,w_636/vka7tsi41jkdtzrzqh2a.jpg

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Message 28 of 578 (743922)
12-05-2014 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Jon
12-05-2014 11:18 AM


But that's always how it works. You never get a situation where the cop says: "You're a nigger, so I'm going to shoot you for being a nigger ... is anyone taking this down? Great, 'cos I want to put that on record. So, to be perfectly clear about this, this is all about skin color." BANG!
But you do have to wonder what's going on.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/...her-home-beat-and-kidnap-her
... cue Faith explaining how it was her fault for being out of doors.

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Message 30 of 578 (743927)
12-05-2014 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
12-05-2014 5:14 PM


Of course I said nothing even remotely implying such an attitude but that doesn't stop the lies does it?
Of course you didn't just blame the victim twice in a row, and it would be a maliciously accurate slander to point out that that's exactly what you did.

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Message 44 of 578 (744018)
12-07-2014 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Jon
12-07-2014 12:23 PM


Perhaps the police ought to gun down everyone who's open-carrying a gun, or something that looks like one. I'll leave that up to you to decide. But as in fact they don't, one has to wonder why they did so in this particular case. I mean, no-one shot these guys.

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Message 45 of 578 (744024)
12-07-2014 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Jon
12-06-2014 12:03 AM


In other threads you rail against guns, going on and on about how unsafe and dangerous it is for people to even own the damn things.
And yet I don't think that RAZD, or anyone else, has ever said on other thread or anyone else that people practicing open-carry should be shot just for that.
Meanwhile, in other threads, the pro-gun people have said that gun ownership is a right, and even that it's positively desirable. And yet when a black kid is shot for nearly owning a gun, well, now it's his fault he got shot and anyone who doesn't think so is some kind of hypocrite ...
So, how does this work in your head? Is gun ownership a constitutional right for white people but a legitimate reason to execute black people without a trial? Golly, white people get all the luck, don't they?

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Message 50 of 578 (744037)
12-07-2014 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Jon
12-07-2014 3:49 PM


But again, the situations are very different. One is a protest(?); the other is a person with a gun menacing the neighborhood park.
You say there's a difference? What does it consist in? What besides his skin color, means that he's "menacing the neighborhood park" rather than exercising his constitutional rights for Freedom and the American Way in it, like it is when white people take (real) guns into a park?

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Message 52 of 578 (744040)
12-07-2014 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
12-07-2014 4:25 PM


Yes, one person did call the cops, and said the gun was "probably fake". (How manacing!) I'm not sure what "waving it around" is meant to mean. I don't think that white people hold their guns completely still, because for one thing they wouldn't be able to take them home with them in that case.
Now, please, explain why the kid was a menace, but this guy's a guardian of freedom?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 53 of 578 (744041)
12-07-2014 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
12-07-2014 4:25 PM


Compare and contrast:
Parents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children's baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night. [...] He scared people to the point where we stopped the game, took the kids out of the dugout and behind the dugout, and kind of hunkered down, Rabb said.
Park users flooded 911 with 22 calls about the man. Forysth County deputies questioned the man, and found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park.
See, he scared people, he had a real gun, 22 people called the police to express their fear, and that's his constitutional right, as conservatives are eager to explain. But they are also eager to explain that a black child with a toy is a menace who's just asking to be shot.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 57 of 578 (744046)
12-07-2014 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
12-07-2014 5:09 PM


You know, you don't serve the cause of truth or justice by posting pictures that are completely irrelevant to the situation being discussed ...
But of course they are. The question would be, was Rice treated differently? Why was he treated as a "menace" when white guys with real guns are true American heroic patriots who have done nothing wrong, and who don't get shot?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 66 of 578 (744066)
12-07-2014 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Jon
12-07-2014 5:31 PM


Insofar as your pathetic drivel of nonsense has any content beyond the fact that you're butthurt, I feel that it has been answered by post #53 and similar posts --- and by understanding the concept of time, and that not everything happens simultaneously, something that I hardly thought I should have to point out to you.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 72 of 578 (744131)
12-08-2014 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Jon
12-07-2014 11:58 PM


Anyway, none of this gets to the topic. Even if we all agree that the officer used unreasonable force, broke the law, and disrespected his mother that says nothing about whether he was acting out of racism or not.
Sure, we can't read minds, and no-one turns to the camera, in the one-in-a-hundred times when there's a camera present, and says "Hi, just to clear this up for you, this is racially motivated".
But there is a pattern, isn't there? Maybe we should stop talking about anecdotes and start talking about statistics.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 76 of 578 (744142)
12-08-2014 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
12-08-2014 1:21 PM


The statistics might tell you that there is a problem when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime, but it wouldn't show racism on the part of the whites any more than it could show it on the part of the blacks. Resisting arrest, coming at the officer etc.
It's interesting that you should start to obfuscate the statistics even before we've started to look at them. I just mentioned that we might look at the statistics, and before you've even seen a single statistic, you start crying out that they don't prove racism, and start thinking up ways where if the statistics suggest racism, we should discount the statistics --- whatever they are.
And here's your narrative "there is a problem when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime". What about when they haven't? When I posted this ... http://www.addictinginfo.org/...her-home-beat-and-kidnap-her ... you were all up in arms when I suggested you'd defend the police no matter what. But now you define the discussion as how white police and black criminals react "when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 77 of 578 (744143)
12-08-2014 2:12 PM



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