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Author | Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Denying the truth won't make it go away. If you'd ever read the Bible the myth and the legend are obvious. No rational person could deny it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The Bible IS evidence, I haven't changed that tune at all. Witness evidence IS evidence. In that case . . . I was a witness to Jesus' ministry. It turns out that he stayed dead and did not resurrect. Are you going to stop being a christian now, following my eyewitness evidence that simply can't be false and is not a myth?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh don't be silly. There's enough silliness here already without going to that extreme.
But if He stayed dead and you saw all this you should be able to produce the body. Where is it?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: In fact they don't apply anyway because this is not a case of a single witness whose testimony needs to be corroborated outside his own testimony, this is a collection of many witnesses who do corroborate one another. But they do not corroborate one another and in fact they often contradict one another as you have been shown repeatedly.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Shown" indeed. You all make claims of that sort but you're off the wall, the lot of you.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Oh don't be silly. There's enough silliness here already without going to that extreme. You are already dismissing the eyewitness evidence. Go figure.
But if He stayed dead and you saw all this you should be able to produce the body. Where is it? I just gave you all of the evidence you need.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But the evidence has been shown to you and that you cannot deny.
There are the two mutually exclusive flood stories. There is the evolution of the Great Commission as the story gets revised over time.
quote: And if you want I will happily provide additional examples. But the fact is that the different authors often contradict what the other authors create.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So try being sensible, then.
Why should I think that the Tower of Babel is anything other than a myth ? Why should I think that the story of Samson is not a legend ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But if He stayed dead and you saw all this you should be able to produce the body. Where is it?
I just gave you all of the evidence you need. No you didn't, Taq, you seem to have no idea what is required of a witness in this case. For one thing many witnesses are needed, even according to Levitical law, because one is not trustworthy, which we know about you anyway. The women who followed Jesus and three or four of the disciples saw the tomb empty and witnessed Jesus risen. Peter for instance, one of the witnesses, found no body, but the linen burial cloths were still there (John 20:5-6). John was with him and saw the same thing. This is what we get from real witnesses, details like this. Lots of witnesses to the tomb's being empty and nobody ever produced the body. So if you saw him dead after the claims that He had risen, that's your job. Otherwise you are just the false witness we know you are anyway, trying ineptly to make a mockery of the whole idea. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know why you should think the Tower of Babel IS a myth or the story of Samson a legend. Both are presented within a historical narrative that gives no clue that they are anything but historical facts.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
i can't think why any sensible reader would think otherwise. Just look at them. I mean God getting so worried by a mud brick tower that he curses people with different languages ? A hero who has superhuman strength so long as he doesn't have a haircut ?
Really.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Bible is meant to be learned from. If you just dismiss it because it doesn't sound right to you then you'll never learn anything from it, which is of course the stance you've taken so there's not much I can say. The Tower of Babel episode hints at something very dangerous for mankind if God hadn't thwarted it.
Samson is an example of some kind of supernatural or miraculous doings, which makes the story suspect to a modern man. What can I say? I'm a simple reader of the Bible, I believe it. God chose him to be a Nazirite and gave him incredible strength as long as he didn't cut his hair. It's the story of an impetuous sinner who was deceived by a woman and had to come back to God the hard way. I just believe it, you can't, way it goes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I notice that your argument amounts to asserting that I should just agree with you. You,ve presented no sensible reason to consider either story a "witness statement", or even any reason to reject the obvious assessment - the same assessment you would make if the stories were pagan.
And no, the Babel story doesn't hint at any danger for mankind in the tower.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They both witness to God in their own way, but when I used that term I was talking about the great miracles that were done by God, and Jesus, for the specific purpose of proving who they are, miracles attested by many whose reactions are reported. These two stories aren't given for that purpose. They are to be believed, however, on the basis that the Bible is the word of God.
Of course you don't see the implication of the Tower of Babel event, as I said.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So now you're saying that many of the Bible stories don't count as witness statements. But OK let's try Exodus. Do you count that as a "witness statement". On what grounds?
Any that a reasonable person - an actual reasonable person - would consider adequate? And the reason I don't see the "implication" in the Tower of Babel story is because it isn't there. If you disagree show me - but don't forget that any assumptions from outside the story could invalidate your claim.
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