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That was the stupidest 'test' I've ever seen.I couldn't group anything how I wanted. I stopped after the first set of faces and the first few words.What a joke.

A person who waves a firearm aroundreal or 'realistically' fakegives up any expectation of safe treatment by law enforcement and accepts the possibility of finding a bullet between their eyes.The police are charged with protecting the public; sometimes that means shooting first and asking questions later. If you make yourself a good shoot-first target, that's your own damn problem, not the officers' and not society's.If it is the case that the police are shooting more black people waving around guns than they are white people waving around guns, the solution is for them to start shooting more gun-waving white people, not shooting fewer gun-waving black people.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

Depends on how real they looked. And on how well you complied with their orders when they asked to inspect the 'weapon'.

Looked into it more. Found the following:

• The pistol was by no means clearly fake.
• The report to police claimed he was waving it around.
• The officer was not very good at his job, and probably shouldn't have been a cop just on the grounds that he was technically unqualified for the position.

These things taken together strongly question whether this incident was motivated by racist sentiments. It seems the actions of the boy were clearly threatening to average people (the reason the police showed up in the first place) and that the officer who shot him was inexperienced and prone to bad, over-reactive judgement under pressure (which this situation certainly was).Not all cases of black people being shot are examples of police racism.I think here we have a confusing situation misread by a poor cop. And that's based on the information I've found so far.

In other threads you rail against guns, going on and on about how unsafe and dangerous it is for people to even own the damn things. And now you want to claim that this kid's actions presented no 'clear and present danger' on the grounds that he wasn't shooting folks, but was just waving the gun around scaring the shit out of people and, as far as any reasonable person could tell, endangering the safety of anyone in that public space.Stop being ridiculous.This kid (who appeared to be a 20 year old man) was a threat, and police intervention was certainly necessary, and they definitely should have approached the situation with their guns drawn.The only mistake here was the unqualified officer's. And that was a mistake of being unfit for the job, not a mistake of being a racist. I suppose you'll have to find cases of some white kids waving around real-looking fake pistols and see what happened to them. We have covered a lot of this in some of the gun threads. African Americans (for whatever reason) commit proportionally more violent crimes than white people; so there is no surprise that the general public might associate black people with crimes more than whites.It's not the news reporters' jobs to sugarcoat reality. To be fair, I 'denigrated and declined to complete' it because it was stupid.I think that's a pretty good reason. She can think whatever the hell she wants. No one should be forced to feel shame for their thoughts, only guilt for their actions.Jon

Definitely a better and more relevant example than anything that's been in the news lately.

From the videos it looks like the officer is trying to apply the proper hold, where the bend of the elbow is in front of and away from the windpipe and the upper and lower arm are pressing on either side against the major arteries of the neck.The suspect was a pretty big guy, though. The officer has to practically jump just to reach his neck, and can hardly fit his arm around it. The safety of the hold attempted was thwarted by the suspect's size and his thrashing about in the commission of a crime (resisting arrest).It's unfortunate that this man died, but his death was precipitated by his physical resistance to an arrest for a crime he knew full-well he had committed and the cops' justifiable and legal attempts to restrain him.As in the case of Brown, this is another example proving that people have no right to an expectation of personal safety if they choose to become resistant and physical with police. These are not clearly examples of police racial prejudices.

You've said nothing.A person has no right to an expectation of safety, including preservation of their life, if they choose to physically resist arrest or otherwise altercate with police.If people don't want the cops to hurt/kill them, then they shouldn't start fighting with the cops.Stop pretending that the police have a duty to get the shit beat out of them and allow people to resist arrest.

But not to the officer that shot him. Police shouldn't show up when someone is waving a gun around ("probably fake"which wasn't true, see belowbut potentially real, and in either case that information was not related to the police)?Police shouldn't show up when someone calls them for help?Get your head out of your ass.Police intervention was definitely needed. If you were in a park where someone was waving around a gun, I'm sure you'd be more than a little impatient for the police to show up and 'disarm' the situation. Even that is nonsense. It wasn't a toy. It shot pellets, which though less severe than bullets, still have the potential of causing pretty serious bodily injury.The cop reacted in nervous haste and was apparently so bad at his job that he shouldn't have even been employed as a police officer.But that doesn't mean Tamir Rice was a good kid. Good kids don't go to the park pointing BB guns at people.

Different situation.The police probably shouldn't have shot Rice. The video is of poor quality and I haven't watched it close enough to make my own judgement on what happened. However, if Rice did go for his gun as the police pulled up, then the officer's knee-jerk reaction is mostly justified.If a police officer approached one of those rednecks and he began lifting his gun toward the officer, I'd expect him to wind up with a bullet somewhere in his body.But again, the situations are very different. One is a protest(?); the other is a person with a gun menacing the neighborhood park. Police are justified in treating the situations differently.

Stop being dishonest.He wasn't just practicing open-carry. He was waving the gun around and pointing it at people. Stop being dishonest.He wasn't shot for just owning the gun. He was waving the gun around and pointing it at people.Racism is undoubtedly a problem with police (as it is almost everywhere), but we'll never be able to do anything about it so long as people in the 'let's fix racism in the police force' camp (which I consider myself a member of) are dishonest trolls like you.Do something good for the cause and tell the truth.You'll get more respect and might actually be able to accomplish something.

Yes.But they are your head and ass... so feel free to do what you want with them.

Well we've covered that and I've said a few times that the officer probably overreacted. But I was replying to your comment that: "In hindsight we know that police intervention was not needed."Which was a downright stupid thing to say.But you knew that already, didn't you? Nothing criminally negligent about the police shooting someone waving a gun around. Might be against their regulations; might be unnecessary. But it isn't 'criminally negligent'.But you knew that already, didn't you?