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Author | Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The truth can't drive anyone away from Christianity. Its your falsehoods that drive people away from Christianity.
Not that I think I've done a stellar job of it, but I know I've only presented truth here.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I merely point out that claiming that God is the author of the Bible contradicts the claim that it had multiple human authors.
quote: No, it isn't. That's why you can't come up with anything good.
quote: I did. Maybe you will one day. Or better yet, maybe you'll understand it instead of ising it as an excuse to justify your own prejudices.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I merely point out that claiming that God is the author of the Bible contradicts the claim that it had multiple human authors. But that's ridiculous. Of course it had multiple human authors, all moved by the Spirit of God. As for the rest, Oh well.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Who said "Being inspired means God authored it" ?
quote: Yeah, I guess you know that you don't have any decent evidence. That's why you won't discuss it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that's ridiculous. Of course it had multiple human authors, all moved by the Spirit of God.
Who said "Being inspired means God authored it" ? I don't know how you are finding this difficult. God DID author it, by inspiring the human writers to write according to His inspiration.
Yeah, I guess you know that you don't have any decent evidence. That's why you won't discuss it. As I said, I have serious doubts that you would be persuaded by the excellent evidence there is. But I haven't yet read the Scarlet Thread of Redemption. We'll see how that goes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I'm not having any trouble at all. You're the one with the problem. If the human authors aren't writing their words from their experiences they aren't making any sort of witness statement.
quote: You mean that you expect me to tell the truth rather than pretending that you're right.
quote: I've glanced at it. It's a sermon, not very long. And it says much less than you claimed. Not that I expect you to put the actual text ahead of what you want it to say. After your treatment of the Bible and Calvin I have no illusions on that score.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Is the evidence we seek evidence for absolute (or complete) truth or is this a necessity? Phat, I don't understand your question. Is what a necessity?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And there you are again speaking your false reading of the Bible from the deepest darkest jungle of self-inspired Bible mutilation. Faith I am not giving any false reading, and folk (as long as they are not "Biblical Christians) can even go and read what is actually written in Genesis 2&3. We don't need the Book of Revelation to be able to actually read what is written in Genesis 2&3. AbE: Also, I've read the Bible Faith and in Revelation Satan is called the serpent that deceives mankind while in Genesis 2&3 the serpent actually tells the truth and deceives no one. It is the God character that deceives mankind so the God character in Genesis 2&3 is Satan according to Revelation? Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Astrophile Member (Idle past 155 days) Posts: 92 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
That one was, because it was possessed by Satan, and he can talk. In Genesis, 3:12-13, the man says,
quote:and the woman says, quote: If the serpent was possessed by Satan, and was therefore able to talk, why didn't God ask it why it had beguiled the woman? I'm sure a lot of people would be very interested to know, and even the serpent had a right to say something in its defence. Also, if the serpent was possessed by Satan, one could argue that it was not responsible for its actions. If so, why did God punish all natural snakes by forcing them to march on their stomachs, like Napoleon's army?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm not having any trouble at all. You're the one with the problem. If the human authors aren't writing their words from their experiences they aren't making any sort of witness statement. Perhaps the answer to this seeming contradiction is simply to think of God more in the way a Calvinist would. In a universe where everything is pre-ordained, men simply write the scripture God would have them write. If under such thinking, all of the evil men do is predestined by God, surely their Biblical writings are as well.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Which makes all books equally "inspired by God". I suppose Christians should be glad that Calvinism is not as Biblical as Faith pretends (even if she only means that her version of Calvinism agrees with her version of the Bible)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If the serpent was possessed by Satan, and was therefore able to talk, why didn't God ask it why it had beguiled the woman? I'm sure a lot of people would be very interested to know, and even the serpent had a right to say something in its defence. For a real challenge, try to spin this story in a way that makes sense under Calvinist doctrine. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
How is the claim that so many people believe it is the truth evidence it is the truth? That is the logical fallacy known as 'argumentum ad populum' , also known as ". argumentum ad numerum ".
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Not only that, but the inquisition burnt many Jews, who died with them reciting the schema as the burnt to the crisp. that must mean Judaism is the truth, since these people died rejecting Christianity and they were tortured to death rather than renounce their faith.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If the serpent was possessed by Satan, and was therefore able to talk, why didn't God ask it why it had beguiled the woman? I'm quite sure that God already knew why. Satan was merely acting out the choice that he had made...to oppose God. God never asked questions to find out the answer. God asked us questions so that we would reflect on our decisions and choices and see ourselves in a mirror.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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