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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
but some people find looking down on others as very fulfilling ....
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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what if I forget how to make an Old Fashioned and have to ask for help Google. If heaven doesn't have wifi, it wouldn't be heaven.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I am glad that God doesn't take his orders from you. God is perfectly find with gay marriage, polygamy, polyandry, shacking up together, and being single.
He's just this groovy kind of guy.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Maybe thats what keeps me posting here at EvC. I can never get anyone here to agree with me...but come to think of it...if we ever agreed the challenge would cease to be and the fun would be over. I realize this runs counter to what we see today, particularly when looking at many chapters of Club Christian, where people tend to group around those who think like they do and avoid exposure to conflicting belief systems and worldviews.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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faceman Member (Idle past 3407 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined:
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He was gay before he wasn't, so all this means is he's back to flying his original, rainbow colors.
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He was gay before he wasn't, Brilliant, faceman. Nice contribution.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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I completely agree with you Phat.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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I bet you learned more disagreeing with everyone, even if you didn't change your mind about any specific subject.
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He was gay before he wasn't, so all this means is he's back to flying his original, rainbow colors. That's not all it means. It also means that some of these pray-the-gay-away homosexuality "cures" are just a bunch of lying bull shit.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3407 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
That's not all it means. It also means that some of these pray-the-gay-away homosexuality "cures" are just a bunch of lying bull shit. Yeah I think that's all it means. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. First he was straight, then he was gay, then he was straight again, founded his ministry, only to find out - oops, still gay. I don't doubt the power of prayer at all, when done by believers, but when a guy like that's leading the charge, then they're destined for failure.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Yes, look at him. Someone who sincerely and desperately believed and tried and tried and tried. And failed. Praying away the gay doesn't work.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. First he was straight, then he was gay, then he was straight again, founded his ministry, only to find out - oops, still gay. Well that's ignorant and ad hoc. More likely, he was always gay and just said that he was straight to hide it.
I don't doubt the power of prayer at all, when done by believers, but when a guy like that's leading the charge, then they're destined for failure. What this shows is that guys like that are leading these charges. How many of the pray-the-gay-away camps do you think are run by homosexuals and therefore destined for failure? Don't they look like a scam at face value?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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faceman writes:
More like a sheep in wolf's clothing. He was always gay. He tried to be straight, realized he was gay, tried to pray it away and failed. That may be his own personal failure or it may be a failure of prayer in general.
He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. First he was straight, then he was gay, then he was straight again, founded his ministry, only to find out - oops, still gay.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
That may be his own personal failure or it may be a failure of prayer in general. Or it may just have been doomed to failure because change is not an option -- like trying to pray to change your skin color. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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There are some success stories. I know of one in particular of a lesbian who changed upon converting to Christ, Rosaria Butterfield. Unfortunately she doesn't say in this article how she overcame her homosexual desires, if it was a struggle etc, only that she did and is now married with children.
And THIS SITE suggests there are others, most of whom change on their own without the help of a group. I've only skimmed this site but it looks like it has a lot of information. Today on the radio, however, I heard of a lesbian who became Christian, realized she couldn't change, and came to the understanding she would have to live celibate. Clearly some are not going to be able to change their desires. Given the scripture that says homosexuality is sin and that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God, the best outcome would be change. If it just can't happen for an individual then living celibate is the only rational choice. if you believe that scripture is God's word. If you believe in eternal life shouldn't you choose to live in a way that will get you there? Best to cut off hand or put out eye if it keeps you from it. This life is short compared to eternity. It doesn't matter if the guy who had the Pray the Gay Away Ministry was always gay or had himself talked out of it for a while, the choice he has made has severed him from God. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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