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Greatest I am Member Posts: 1483 Joined: |
Is Jesus's divorce law anti-love?
Jesus agreed with the O.T God on divorce. Let no man break that union or let no man put asunder. I see that as anti-love. If Jesus is wrong about such a fundamental issue, then what else was he wrong about? If a Christian, even if you become convinced that Jesus was indeed wrong, it would not make any difference to you because you actually follow tradition, culture and your family’s inherited traditional God. Not really a God that you selected through trials of his moral character. Right? Shame on you for neglecting the most important decision of your life. I think that the moral reason all divorce pleas should be granted is that no one, gay, straight and all conditions in between or over, should be denied the ability to seek a lifetime loving partner, wife or husband, for any reason. I see being able to seek a loving mate or partner as a fundamental human right. Do you agree? Regards
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the Is Jesus's divorce law anti-love? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Phat Member Posts: 15931 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
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jar Member Posts: 33887 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.8
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Marriage is a contract and the terms of the contract should determine whether or not it can be dissolved.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member Posts: 19517 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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That's the problem. It shouldn't be. The religious view of marriage doesn't work. The secular view is at least an attempt to make it work.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Have you ever been married? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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mram10 Member (Idle past 2732 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
How is it anti-love to be against divorce? What is your definition of love? That could be the difference.
A state contracted marriage is not the same as God's.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8479 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
God's never shown up at any marriage I've ever been to, but the state has always sent its rep. Perhaps God needs to take more of an interest if he wants anyone to take notice of what he does and doesn't think needs to be in a marriage contract? Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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jar Member Posts: 33887 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
But the only valid marriages are contracts and that has been true since long before Jesus lived.
In the US the only valid marriages are state sanctioned marriages. Priests, pastors and clergy include "By the power vested in me by [state] I pronounce you ...". Have you ever read the Bible? The three parts of of a Biblical valid marriage are "Contract", "Consumption" and "Celebration". Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member Posts: 19517 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
I almost gave you a cheer for that...
but then you shot yourself in the foot. "God's" marriage is difficult to detect. If a church-sanctioned marriage ends in divorce, does that mean it wasn't "God's" marriage? That sounds suspiciously like the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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mram10 Member (Idle past 2732 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
Ahhhhh.... enter the "free will" debate. God's "ideals" not being adhered to is based on our choice to abide by those. The Hebrew God of the bible found a contract to be very important. This brings up a great debate topic. Off to start a new thread!!
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Colbard Member (Idle past 2620 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Somebody had a problem with stoning in another thread which discusses morality and evolution, and here seems a good place to mention it.
The divorce issue was addressed by Jesus in Mark 10. They could have included God in their decision making, but there was a lot of distrust going on at the time, and to include God would have been dishonest. People need to be given the freedom to make their minds up, but a sensible person uses a car according to the manual, you don't put milk in the fuel tank. Now in regards to stoning, some see it as a very harsh punishment, like the laws in Bali against drug smugglers - it's usually death. But the consequences of allowing drug use are thousands of times worse than one death. It destroys society. (I don't want to talk about the hypocrisy of those authorities which is the another aspect of corruption). If a man, if you can call it that, had a thing for his daughter, sheep or other men or trees, he would be stoned, because such an uprising in a nation would bring the most notorious crimes and vile misery and destruction. You can't tell me, that in parts of the world where such things are condoned by society and the authorities, that people jump off bridges because of intolerance. They are extremely tortured and miserable. And it is hardly their fault, and are betrayed by sin in others and in themselves. Very sad. Stoning was a very quick death, large stones were hurled by a crowd of people, so it would be heavier than machine gun fire. Later the stupid Jewish leadership recommended cruelties and torture by ordering smaller stones and less throwers. God never intended that any of these punishments or crimes should take place, and if Israel had listened and wizened up they would not have to have such a system of capital punishment. But in their agreement with God they decided that they would like to be part and parcel of the theocracy, and so God gave them their choices in the agreement. For example, they were initially not going to fight in battles, God would take care of the enemies, but in their distrust, they decided to be part of it again, as if God needed them to fight, and so they entered into battles, with success but also losses. So in essence God concedes to work with people on their level, in the hope that they will see what is happening and move upward in trust, but the general history of that nation is one of back sliding and getting worse, however many individuals and families did not do that, for example Joshua and Caleb. In regards to marriage and sexual relationships, God does not condemn a gay person, because they, like the divorcees, are disadvantaged in some way, physically, psychologically, socially, emotionally. People cannot help who they are, and God accepts them if they come to Him, with His unconditional love. People cannot help the way they have been treated as children, or the condition or society around them, and many other factors. In the days of Christ and the disciples, the incestuous, rapists, polygamists, were converted and put away their former life. For such a genuine change to take place, required a much more primitive and effective connection with God than proposed by the weakened power hungry and lying world of Christendom today. God is not interested in forcing something onto us, but wants us to be comforted by His willingness to be there for us in any situation. It rains on everyone, and if our eyes were enlightened, we would see every person has guardian angels of God to heighten the senses to the fact that faith and trust which can only work by love, is a new way of life that leads to eternal life.
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