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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
rakshandakhan 
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Message 766 of 2059 (744078)
12-08-2014 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by purpledawn
05-06-2010 6:54 AM


Re: School or Seminar
It can be done depending upon our thought.

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Colbard
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Message 767 of 2059 (744080)
12-08-2014 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 760 by dwise1
12-07-2014 3:22 PM


Re: Nonsense is the word
Some one else said I was 18, not me, shows how desperate you are.

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Colbard
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Message 768 of 2059 (744082)
12-08-2014 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 761 by dwise1
12-07-2014 4:02 PM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong?
Not if, when.

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Percy
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Message 769 of 2059 (744083)
12-08-2014 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:28 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Colbard writes:

What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong?

No one here is married to any particular conclusions. We're devoted to following the evidence where it leads. When someone introduces new evidence or improved insights that lead to different conclusions then we'll think that's pretty neat.

--Percy


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Colbard
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Message 770 of 2059 (744084)
12-08-2014 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 764 by RAZD
12-07-2014 7:41 PM


Re: age issue remains unanswered, not even tried
RAZD writes:

I'll choose my rut over yours any day of the year and twice on sunday.


Yes, it will be on a Sunday alright.

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dwise1
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Message 771 of 2059 (744088)
12-08-2014 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 767 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:23 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
That might be true, but with your record here of gross dishonesty how could I possibly believe what you say? You have thoroughly discredited yourself and this is one of the consequences of your persistent actions. Only you can try to correct this situation.

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Message 772 of 2059 (744093)
12-08-2014 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:28 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
When any of our conclusions is shown to be wrong, then we correct it. That is one of the characteristics of science. And science busies itself with constantly testing its conclusions, which is another characteristic of science. In fact, scientists are very strongly motivated to test and try to prove wrong the conclusions of other scientists, because when your own research depends on the research of others, you want to be as certain as possible that those others' research is correct.

As a result, science is both self-correcting and highly motivated to be self-correcting. In sharp contrast, religious dogma is extremely resistant to any form of correction and is highly motivated to prevent any testing and attempts at correction. The same is true of your own position of promoting a state of unquestioning ignorance.

I have a page long under construction which contrasts the differences between scientists and "creation scientists" which explains that contrast above:
http://cre-ev.dwise1.net/cs_vs_sci.html

In fact, we want to be proven wrong. If we are wrong, then we want to have that situation corrected. Religion and the faith-based approach do not want to be proven wrong and will do everything it can to avoid being corrected. We are far more dedicated to truth and seeking truth than a faith-based approach could ever be.


quote:
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

In another article discussing Gentry's polonium-halo claims, Wakefield contrasted the difference between how a scientist and a creationist view a mystery (paraphrased from memory):

quote:
When a scientist sees a mystery, he wants to solve it. When a creationist sees a mystery he considers it proof of God, so he wants to keep it a mystery.

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Tangle
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Message 773 of 2059 (744097)
12-08-2014 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:28 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Colbard writes:

What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong?

If what we think we know is wrong, we damn well want to know about it and as soon as possible. Bring it on.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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RAZD
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Message 774 of 2059 (744099)
12-08-2014 9:10 AM


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RAZD
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Message 775 of 2059 (744101)
12-08-2014 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by dwise1
12-08-2014 8:37 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
fyi -- he said he was 10 in eighth grade iirc but not how many years ago that was, when he pretend dated the coin with 14C ... I'm sure you can look that up and correct yourself.


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jar
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Message 776 of 2059 (744103)
12-08-2014 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by RAZD
12-08-2014 9:14 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
fyi -- he said he was 10 in eighth grade iirc but not how many years ago that was, when he pretend dated the coin with 14C ... I'm sure you can look that up and correct yourself.

Ah, that explains a lot... no wonder he mistrusts dating since ten year old kids are in the 8th grade in Oz.

Prodigy I imagine.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 777 of 2059 (744104)
12-08-2014 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 772 by dwise1
12-08-2014 8:56 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Dwise1 writes:

When any of our conclusions is (are) shown to be wrong, then we correct it (them)

Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."?


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Colbard
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Message 778 of 2059 (744105)
12-08-2014 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 773 by Tangle
12-08-2014 9:00 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Tangle writes:

If what we think we know is wrong, we damn well want to know about it and as soon as possible. Bring it on.

What if you don't know that you don't want to know?


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dwise1
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Message 779 of 2059 (744106)
12-08-2014 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by RAZD
12-08-2014 9:14 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
He has said a lot of things and has contradicted himself several times. Frankly, it is very difficult to read too much of his nonsense since it causes my eyes to both cross and roll at the same time.

Somebody had mentioned that he was claiming to be an 18-year-old girl and Percy replied that when he registered he claimed to be 30. Somebody else's mistake or more misinformation from Colbard? That's a toss-up at this point.

He still needs to straighten up and get his act together if he is to ever have any hope of restoring a modicum of honesty.


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RAZD
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Message 780 of 2059 (744109)
12-08-2014 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 770 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:32 AM


age issue remains unanswered, not even tried ... just shuck and jive
RAZD writes:

I'll choose my rut over yours any day of the year and twice on sunday.


Yes, it will be on a Sunday alright.

Well it looks like you missed your opportunity last night then. Do I have to wait another week for a real answer?

What you are engaged in currently is a dance called the shuck-and-jive: dance around the issue claiming special knowledge but completely unable to offer any single thing of substance.

It's all pretense, it's all pretend, it's all phaque.

The tree rings in California, Germany and Ireland know you are wrong. But don't worry ... they still love you.

The lake varves in Japan know you are wrong. But don't worry ... they still love you.

The ice layers in Greenland and Antarctica know you are wrong. But don't worry ... they still love you.

Message 768: What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong?

Curiosity.

Not if, when.

Whenever you are ready (yawn)

Now, what will you feel and say when your world of conclusions on the age of the earth is known to be wrong?

btw ... that date has already come to pass.

Enjoy.


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