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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
DWise1 writes: Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."? When any of our conclusions is (are) shown to be wrong, then we correct it (them) Rather 1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." That's part of the Bible that you oppose.
And stop misquoting us! Copy and paste what we actually wrote! Without changes! Damned dishonest creationists!
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3391 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Dwise1 writes: Rather 1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." That's part of the Bible that you oppose. Hold fast to that which is good, telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Colbard writes: What if you don't know that you don't want to know? You appear to be talking about things that we DO think that we know about so we might as well start there. What do you have for us?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Test everything. Which you preach against. Why do you hate the Bible so much?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong? Not if, when. What will you feel and say when you see a pink elephant?Not gray, pink.
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Yeah, that was me. I got it wrong. My appologies for the confusion.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
I don't think Paul intended to convey to Timothy that NEVER learning was better than continuously learning.
Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
Evolution doesn't have "accidents". Learning that would be good.
... telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good. quote:
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."? Not at all. It is ever learning to know the truths. For example: Once people thought the earth was young. We now know that was not true and that the truth is that the earth is at least four billion years old. Once people thought there had been a world-wide Biblical flood. We now know that is simply not true and that the truth is that at least during the period when there were humans there has never been a world wide flood. Once people believed that humans were a special creation. We now know that is not true and that humans are simply the product of evolution. Science helps us to come to the knowledge of the truth. Edited by Admin, : Fix typos.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Message 114 - Claims first heard about evolution in 1946 ... so I don't think 30 is right either ... if you believe what he says.
Message 599: I was eleven years old in year 7 ... The items tested for age were numbered and could have been mixed up. I did not care really. This is where 18 comes from I believe, but I take that to be grade 7. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Message 114 - Claims first heard about evolution in 1946 ... so I don't think 30 is right either.
Message 599: I was eleven years old in year 7 ... The items tested for age were numbered and could have been mixed up. I did not care really. And radiocarbon dating was invented in the very late 1940s, and didn't become commonly available until about the mid-1950s. If he first heard about evolution in 1946, that supposes an age of at least 6 or 8. So, at what age in school did the famous coin dating experiment take place then? (This is all very confusing.)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Found the orig -- 11 in grade 7.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yeah, I don't often like to say it, but maybe we have a genuine troll on our hands this time, someone who is genuinely stupid and ignorant and socially dysfunctional, but who consoles himself for his defects by convincing himself that he doesn't have these defects, but that instead he intends that he should seem to have these defects, and is doing it as a protest against ... well, as it turns out, the genuinely smart people who aren't assholes.
That's where it all goes wrong for him, of course. The genuinely smart people just mock him for being an idiot with poor social skills, as they would if he wasn't "pretending" to be himself. He is himself. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Still harping about a swamp I see. I have asked before but you refuse to answer. What does accident in a swamp have to do with evolution? Please I am very curious.
Edited by Theodoric, : Missed question markFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good. Then you should stop doing it. And if you think this is what evolution teaches then you are operating on a misconception or misinformation. This does sound like typical creationist babble regurgitated by people that can't take the time to check and see if this is actually what evolution says. Evolution is not about origins, but about changes in populations of living organisms. If you want to talk about origins then the science is abiogenesis -- the study of how life may have developed from chemicals. See Panspermic Pre-Biotic Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part I)and Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part II) for discussions of this field. btw -- Random ≠ Accident ... when I throw a di and it lands on 6 that is not an accident, nor is it a predetermined event it is a random event that has a probable occurrence. And we see random events - like meteor impacts - that affect life in stochastic ways and can cause extinctions regardless of fitness of populations to their ecologies. And random mutations occur during reproduction that affect the resulting organism; sometimes that effect is lethal, sometimes it is disadvantageous, sometimes it is neutral, and sometimes it is advantageous to the organisms survival and reproduction. But they are not accidents. Evolution says that people evolved from a common ancestor ape species that we share with chimps, that this ape evolved from a common ancestor primate species that we share with monkeys ... that these links of common ancestor species goes back through a common ancestor mammal species that we share with all other mammals, that this mammal evolved from a common tetrapod land walking ancestor that we share with all other tetrapodal land walking animals. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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