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dwise1
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Message 781 of 2073 (744110)
12-08-2014 9:36 AM
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12-08-2014 9:23 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
DWise1 writes:
When any of our conclusions is (are) shown to be wrong, then we correct it (them)
Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."?
No, yet again you are completely lost.
Rather 1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." That's part of the Bible that you oppose.
And stop misquoting us! Copy and paste what we actually wrote! Without changes! Damned dishonest creationists!

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Colbard
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Message 782 of 2073 (744111)
12-08-2014 9:40 AM
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12-08-2014 9:36 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Dwise1 writes:
Rather 1 Thessalonians 5:21: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." That's part of the Bible that you oppose.
Hold fast to that which is good, telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good.

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Tangle
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Message 783 of 2073 (744112)
12-08-2014 9:42 AM
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12-08-2014 9:25 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Colbard writes:
What if you don't know that you don't want to know?
You appear to be talking about things that we DO think that we know about so we might as well start there. What do you have for us?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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dwise1
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Message 784 of 2073 (744115)
12-08-2014 9:58 AM
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12-08-2014 9:40 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Test everything. Which you preach against. Why do you hate the Bible so much?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 785 of 2073 (744116)
12-08-2014 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:28 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
What will you feel and say when your world of conclusions is proven wrong?
Not if, when.
What will you feel and say when you see a pink elephant?
Not gray, pink.

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Larni
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Message 786 of 2073 (744119)
12-08-2014 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 767 by Colbard
12-08-2014 8:23 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
Yeah, that was me. I got it wrong. My appologies for the confusion.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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ringo
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Message 787 of 2073 (744122)
12-08-2014 11:06 AM
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12-08-2014 9:23 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Colbard writes:
Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."?
I don't think Paul intended to convey to Timothy that NEVER learning was better than continuously learning.

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ringo
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Message 788 of 2073 (744123)
12-08-2014 11:13 AM
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12-08-2014 9:40 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Colbard writes:
... telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good.
Evolution doesn't have "accidents". Learning that would be good.
quote:
D.J.: Darlene says I was an accident.
Roseanne: No, D.J., you were a surprise.
D.J.: What's the difference?
Roseanne: Well...an accident is something that if you had to do it over again you wouldn't. But a surprise is something that you didn't even know you wanted until you got it. link

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jar
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Message 789 of 2073 (744125)
12-08-2014 11:23 AM
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12-08-2014 9:23 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Would that be as in II Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."?
Not at all. It is ever learning to know the truths.
For example:
Once people thought the earth was young. We now know that was not true and that the truth is that the earth is at least four billion years old.
Once people thought there had been a world-wide Biblical flood. We now know that is simply not true and that the truth is that at least during the period when there were humans there has never been a world wide flood.
Once people believed that humans were a special creation. We now know that is not true and that humans are simply the product of evolution.
Science helps us to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Edited by Admin, : Fix typos.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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RAZD
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Message 790 of 2073 (744128)
12-08-2014 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 779 by dwise1
12-08-2014 9:27 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
Message 114 - Claims first heard about evolution in 1946 ... so I don't think 30 is right either ... if you believe what he says.
Message 599: I was eleven years old in year 7 ... The items tested for age were numbered and could have been mixed up. I did not care really.
This is where 18 comes from I believe, but I take that to be grade 7.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : ...

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Message 791 of 2073 (744135)
12-08-2014 12:30 PM
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12-08-2014 11:46 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
Message 114 - Claims first heard about evolution in 1946 ... so I don't think 30 is right either.
Message 599: I was eleven years old in year 7 ... The items tested for age were numbered and could have been mixed up. I did not care really.
And radiocarbon dating was invented in the very late 1940s, and didn't become commonly available until about the mid-1950s.
If he first heard about evolution in 1946, that supposes an age of at least 6 or 8. So, at what age in school did the famous coin dating experiment take place then? (This is all very confusing.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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RAZD
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Message 792 of 2073 (744137)
12-08-2014 12:36 PM
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12-08-2014 9:18 AM


Re: Nonsense is the word
Found the orig -- 11 in grade 7.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 793 of 2073 (744138)
12-08-2014 12:47 PM


Yeah, I don't often like to say it, but maybe we have a genuine troll on our hands this time, someone who is genuinely stupid and ignorant and socially dysfunctional, but who consoles himself for his defects by convincing himself that he doesn't have these defects, but that instead he intends that he should seem to have these defects, and is doing it as a protest against ... well, as it turns out, the genuinely smart people who aren't assholes.
That's where it all goes wrong for him, of course. The genuinely smart people just mock him for being an idiot with poor social skills, as they would if he wasn't "pretending" to be himself. He is himself.
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Message 794 of 2073 (744180)
12-08-2014 4:21 PM
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12-08-2014 9:40 AM


Re: How Should We be Teaching Science?
Still harping about a swamp I see. I have asked before but you refuse to answer. What does accident in a swamp have to do with evolution? Please I am very curious.
Edited by Theodoric, : Missed question mark

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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RAZD
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Message 795 of 2073 (744192)
12-08-2014 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by Colbard
12-08-2014 9:40 AM


Random ≠ Accident
... telling people you came from an accident in a swamp is not good.
Then you should stop doing it.
And if you think this is what evolution teaches then you are operating on a misconception or misinformation. This does sound like typical creationist babble regurgitated by people that can't take the time to check and see if this is actually what evolution says.
Evolution is not about origins, but about changes in populations of living organisms.
If you want to talk about origins then the science is abiogenesis -- the study of how life may have developed from chemicals.
See Panspermic Pre-Biotic Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part I)
and Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part II) for discussions of this field.
btw -- Random ≠ Accident ... when I throw a di and it lands on 6 that is not an accident, nor is it a predetermined event it is a random event that has a probable occurrence.
And we see random events - like meteor impacts - that affect life in stochastic ways and can cause extinctions regardless of fitness of populations to their ecologies.
And random mutations occur during reproduction that affect the resulting organism; sometimes that effect is lethal, sometimes it is disadvantageous, sometimes it is neutral, and sometimes it is advantageous to the organisms survival and reproduction. But they are not accidents.
Evolution says that people evolved from a common ancestor ape species that we share with chimps, that this ape evolved from a common ancestor primate species that we share with monkeys ... that these links of common ancestor species goes back through a common ancestor mammal species that we share with all other mammals, that this mammal evolved from a common tetrapod land walking ancestor that we share with all other tetrapodal land walking animals.
Enjoy

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