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Author Topic:   Corporatocracy Wins Again
ringo
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Message 14 of 58 (744557)
12-12-2014 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Jon
12-11-2014 2:41 PM


Jon writes:
... it is a process over which the employer not only has direct control but from which the employer solely benefits....
If your employer loses money, e.g. from theft by employees, that's less money he has for paying you. The screening benefits the employee just the same as screening for counterfeit money benefits the consumer.

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ringo
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Message 19 of 58 (744769)
12-15-2014 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by NoNukes
12-14-2014 9:15 PM


NoNukes writes:
Using that reasoning, we could justify sharing all security costs with the employees because every theft affects employees in the same way.
Exactly.

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ringo
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Message 30 of 58 (744834)
12-16-2014 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by NoNukes
12-15-2014 2:17 PM


NoNukes writes:
We might also add that every positive thing that employees do directly benefits the employer, and that the proper compensation in a employer/employee relationship is cash and not extra 'queue time'.
Personally, I prefer having a large part of the compensation in the form of a pleasant working environment. I've met too many people who hated their jobs and only stayed because of the money.
I would take the queue time as an opportunity to hang out with my co-workers rather than as an inconvenience.

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ringo
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Message 37 of 58 (744961)
12-17-2014 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Jon
12-16-2014 3:31 PM


[qs=Jon]
ringo writes:
I would take the queue time as an opportunity to hang out with my co-workers rather than as an inconvenience.[/qs=ringo]
I would take it as a half hour of pay I am losing from my other part-time job that isn't being compensated for by the employer demanding that I wait in line to satisfy their curiosity.
Well, I can see it wouldn't be much fun waiting in line with you.
Is your time really that valuable, Mr. Self-Important?

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ringo
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Message 38 of 58 (744962)
12-17-2014 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by NoNukes
12-17-2014 2:21 AM


NoNukes writes:
I don't want my employer scheduling mandatory fun for me.
I'm talking about making the best of a "bad" situation.
You're probably the guy who waits five minutes in line at the supermarket and then wastes another five minutes whining to the cashier about it. And I'm always behind you.
But I'm busy talking to the cute chick who's rolling her eyes at your antics.

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ringo
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Message 42 of 58 (745036)
12-18-2014 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Jon
12-17-2014 4:05 PM


Jon writes:
ringo writes:
I'm talking about making the best of a "bad" situation.
That would be accomplished by either paying the people for waiting in line or hiring more screeners so that there isn't a line in the first place.
I'm talking about ME making the best of a bad situation. It's much more practical to change my own attitude than to try to change the company's policy.

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ringo
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Message 43 of 58 (745039)
12-18-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by petrophysics1
12-17-2014 5:01 AM


Re: Why not to be an employee
petrophysics1 writes:
To come to the location you pay me $1.00/mile, at my present location I drove 876 miles to get here.
I presume you drove on roads that you built yourself? Or do you have a childlike dependency on the state's roads?

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ringo
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Message 45 of 58 (745049)
12-18-2014 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Jon
12-18-2014 12:16 PM


Jon writes:
But I can easily understand others pushing back, and I even appreciate the fact that they do.
In the long run, the pushing back costs you just as much as what the company is doing. Ultimately, the individual pays for everything.

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ringo
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Message 47 of 58 (745152)
12-19-2014 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Jon
12-18-2014 2:38 PM


Jon writes:
You keep telling yourself that.
And other people will keep making your life better.
Be sure and get back to us when your situation gets better.
In the meantime, maybe try to acquire the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference.

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ringo
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Message 54 of 58 (745481)
12-23-2014 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by NoNukes
12-22-2014 3:53 PM


NoNukes writes:
Because it looks a lot like belittling people who are forced to be in a situation they don't want to be in and calling it fun.
I'll confess to belittling people who whine about every little convenience in life. A little belittling might serve to embiggen them.
NoNukes writes:
Your probably the guy stealing magazines out of my barber shop who acts surprised when I show him the door.
I haven't been in a barber shop since 1972.

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ringo
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Message 58 of 58 (745558)
12-24-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jon
12-23-2014 1:53 PM


Jon writes:
Do you feel better laughing about people getting robbed by multi-billion-dollar companies?
Nobody's getting robbed. They're just losing a few minutes of their time - and if they're anything like the people I see every day, they're using that time to check their messages.

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