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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
See Message 2938 where I had to correct some of my impressions.
I also mentioned that sad grandmother some posts ago, who should have been better trained.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Right now, thanks to the gun-control fanatics, although it's perfectly legal it freaks people out and the cops don't know the law and hassle you and he doesn't want the hassle right now. What in the hell is the basis for blaming this crap on gun control fanatics? Faith, you are a piece of work. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is the opinion of those who open-carry in an effort to educate the public. The fact is that the public IS freaked out because of all the anti-gun stuff we hear these days, and open-carry is unusual so it is scary to those who are not used to being around guns. Years ago nobody thought twice about people having guns, it was normal. Things have changed BECAUSE of the gun control fanatics.
Another thing my brother told me was that when he was in high school there was a shooting range in the basement, that the ROTC used. He could take his own rifle to school and use the range, they only asked that he remove the bolt while walking through the halls. Times have changed. Why? Because of the push for gun control. He suspects there is no longer a shooting range in the school basement. ABE: When you call me a "piece of work" when I am reporting the opinion shared by millions of your fellow citizens you are also calling THEM a piece of work. You might have a little more respect for the responsible law-abiding citizens who own guns./ Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Years ago nobody thought twice about people having guns, it was normal. Things have changed BECAUSE of the gun control fanatics. Total nonsense. Open carry is not unusual because of gun control fanatics. People in general stopped carrying guns around more than a century ago unless they were going somewhere where they intended to do some shooting. Further, you blame the police not knowing the law on somebody other than the police. Really, Faith. That police department's lack of training after the legislature passes a law is to be blamed on gun control fanatics? How about some evidence? Because the crap you are spouting here is counter intuitive. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Just a quick question--
Do you own any guns yourself?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You might have a little more respect for the responsible law-abiding citizens who own guns Wrong. I don't have any respect for uniformed and incorrect opinions, and none is due. And the idea that I have to respect someone's negative opinion of other responsible people is ridiculous. Gun advocates don't have any monopoly on being law abiding. I've given reasons for why I think your opinion is complete crap. Didn't see any rebuttal from you. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Do you own any guns yourself? What's your real name and address?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You just wrote three totally crazy sentences. I didn't say gun control people were irresponsible. They are the ones who are uninformed, though, not the pro-gun people, and have knee-jerk objections due to their ignorance. Nothing to do with being responsible or law-abiding.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I didn't say gun control people were irresponsible. You cannot read. I did not accuse you of saying any such thing.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You didn't accuse me of calling gun control people irresponsible? OK, but that's how I read this:
I don't have any respect for uniformed and incorrect opinions, and none is due. And the idea that I have to respect someone's negative opinion of other responsible people is ridiculous. Someone's negative opinion of other responsible people? And this:
Gun advocates don't have any monopoly on being law abiding As if I'd said otherwise. Seems to me you should respect the simple fact that gun control effects HAVE made guns more scary and gun owners subject to hassles nobody used to have. If anybody walked through a high school even with an unbolted rifle these days everybody would scream and run for cover and call the cops. And that IS because of the gun control fanaticism. You don't like the word "fanatics" perhaps. But it's true. These are people who know NOTHING about guns, are always blaming murders on guns and making life difficult for the good guys, in fact CAUSING the situation where the murders can occur. Because of their ignorance and fanaticism all based on fear and total misunderstanding of the reality of the situation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Do you own any guns yourself? What's your real name and address? Why are you reluctant to answer that simple question?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You didn't accuse me of calling gun control people irresponsible? OK, but that's how I read this: "Someone's negative opinion of other responsible people?" That's what I did say, yes. I called your opinion of gun control advocates negative. Your opinion is disrespectful to large number of gun control advocates, but you think I must respect your disrespect. Nope. That's not logical.
If anybody walked through a high school even with an unbolted rifle these days everybody would scream and run for cover and call the cops. What's the law on open carry in schools in your area? Is a person doing open carry in a school a law abiding citizen? Would I be uninformed if I called the police in the situation you described?
quote: Get informed.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Why are you reluctant to answer that simple question? What's your real name and address? I can keep this up as long as you want.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't think you are following the discussion here at all.
It is precisely that Gun Free School Zone act that I'm saying is the CAUSE of the school murders. You think murderers obey such laws? No, it's the good gun owners who obey them, which is why they aren't there when the murderers show up. That law was written in the 90s. My brother was in high school in the 60s, when there was no such law, when he was able to carry his unbolted rifle through the halls without anybody freaking out. That law is based on ignorant uninformed gun-control fanaticism. It's exactly what I'm talking about.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 879 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
You are talking entirely about murders by criminals. But if the murderers did not have guns, they would not have killed those innocent people. Your solution of putting guns in schools is an attempt to solve the problem of violence with more violence. It just doesn't work. Violence always escalates violence. If someone wants to shoot up an elementary school but they know there are armed teachers on duty, they would need to step up their game wouldn't they? Those shooters were not concerned about their own life, they wanted to take others out with them. So they are not going to let some amateur teachers with guns stop them. They will come in with more clips, fire off more rounds at a faster pace. Sure, one of the teachers will probably take them out sooner or later, but people will still die. Ok so let's give the teachers semi-automatic weapons as well. It never ends.
Being slapped on the cheek is an insult, not a threat to your life. Faith, in each of these passages, Jesus is saying that more violence is not the solution to violence. Was he wrong? HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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