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NoNukes
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Message 61 of 128 (745213)
12-20-2014 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by celestialGyoud
12-20-2014 12:35 AM


Re: Emanation of Life Energy is what best explains. - Creationism leads to Crazyness
Primary Energy implies that the energy is a extension from one Primary source, that is, an extension from one root of a primary genealogical tree:

This sentence is a mess. You forgot to capitalize the "p" in "Primary genealogical tree".


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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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celestialGyoud
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Message 62 of 128 (745217)
12-20-2014 1:40 AM
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12-20-2014 1:12 AM


Re: Emanation of Life Energy is what best explains. - Creationism leads to Crazyness
Message was re-edited for you,

The term Primary Energy implies that the energy is a extension from one Primary source,

There is no second source nor second genealogical root.

Therefore, there is no secondary life energy.

Primary is an entire sequence, an extension from one root, or a Primary genealogical tree: the energy of life in every person is an extension of the same energy of life through which that person was generated.

-


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Message 63 of 128 (745219)
12-20-2014 7:46 AM
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12-20-2014 12:35 AM


Re: Emanation of Life Energy is what best explains. - Creationism leads to Crazyness
CrazyDiamond7 writes:

The term Primary Energy implies that the energy is a extension from one Primary source,

You're adding yet more elaboration but still providing no evidence. What is the evidence for this primary source of energy? What instruments did you use to detect this energy? What are the qualities of this energy?

Primary is an entire sequence, an extension from one root, or a Primary genealogical tree: the energy of life in every person is an extension of the same energy of life through which that person was generated.

What is the evidence for an "energy of life"? What is the evidence that connects the "energy of life" to the "primary energy"?

If you want your claims taken seriously, you'll need evidence.

--Percy


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NoNukes
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Message 64 of 128 (745267)
12-20-2014 11:47 PM
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12-20-2014 1:40 AM


Re: Emanation of Life Energy is what best explains. - Creationism leads to Crazyness
Message was re-edited for you

Ah, shucks. You shouldn't have.

Shine on bro.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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celestialGyoud
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Message 65 of 128 (752842)
03-13-2015 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Coyote
12-15-2014 8:28 PM


It didn't fly then but now your theory is probably under attack
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It didn't fly then because the contents 'written on the outside and sealed within' were just a manuscript,

but you can't say it can't fly now if it becomes published,

since all good things that are published go flying around the world.

*
Quotes from Spotlight: How to entangle a juridical panthera,

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There is a disconnection of time and place which is verified from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on Europe for a time no longer than 14,000 years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolutionary theory. It will be seen that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single season of 7,000 years; they would have done the same thing anyway during any of three seasons of 14,000 years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

It's only with a chronological basis that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying per every 5,000 years, that it would be possible for people in Europe to have taken 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.

If the number of children would be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval within the rows of 5,000 years from 55 to 35,000 years ago then there's still the option of stop drifting on numbers as if man is a beast, and as if everything that happens in life is a disgrace.

Evidence of Simultaneity is that 42 linguistic ethnic groups did not spread to Europe during the time proposed by the Evolutionary theory ( for Human Origins ) otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people even before they could become 42 Linguistic Ethnic groups.

The possibility that has not been proven wrong is that the sets of groups were brought to the land simultaneously, all at one time.

On the other hand the fragments from skeletons of mammal specimens that became extinct do not prove that they evolved. Observation shows that whenever mammal specimens disappear they cease from existing for becoming extinct.

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : Quotes from Spotlight: How to Entangle a Juridical Panthera


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frako
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Message 66 of 128 (752856)
03-13-2015 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2015 4:50 PM


Re: It didn't fly then but now your theory is probably under attack
First - There is a disconnection of time and place which is verified from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on Europe for a time no longer than 14,000 years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the Evolutionary theory. It will be seen that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single season of 7,000 years; they would have done the same thing anyway during any of three seasons of 14,000 years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

Um what?

If im getting what you mean to say just take the example of native Americans, or aboriginals in Australia, They had the same 7000 years to develop right but while Europe had medicine windmills roads, the wheel, houses .... they had squat no wheels no houses, basic herbal medicine no castles no nothing. The most advanced structures built had no right angles between stones because they dint know about the right angle they just made stones fit each other,....

Second - It's only with a chronological basis that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying per every 5,000 years, that it would be possible for people in Europe to have taken 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.

The rate of population growth back then was predominately influenced by one thing the same as for all other animals the amount of food available.

Third - Evidence of Simultaneity is that 42 linguistic ethnic groups did not spread to Europe during the time proposed by the Evolutionary theory ( for Human Origins ) otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people even before they could become 42 Linguistic Ethnic groups.

Well the study of the evolution of linguistics is one of the primary tools to find out what people moved where and when, there are plenty of maps available that show you how a language evolved as it traveled.

Every village in my country basically has its own dialect it just depends ho back in the woods they live for how distinct it is. But nowadays we are loosing those dialects because villages are no longer cut off from the world.

The right way to say we eat eggs with forks in my lanugage would be:

Mi jemo jajca s vilcami

A dialect of the prekmurska region would be

Mi gemo bilice s rašuškami

and its just 100 kilometers from them to our capital but they got influenced by the Hungarians so they got their own dialect make them a country and they would have their own language.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 67 of 128 (752864)
03-13-2015 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by frako
03-13-2015 6:57 PM


Re: It didn't fly then but now your theory is probably under attack
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Frako,

The population growth models are not referring to native Americans, or aboriginals in Australia.

The population growth models are referring to Europe and European people.

------- Quotation from 'written on the outside and sealed within':

... that there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 25,000 years ago is evident

since the population growth models have demonstrated that all things the European people have done to the place called Europe during a single cluster of 7 thousand years,

they would have done the same thing anyway during any of three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7,000 years.

-


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herebedragons
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Message 68 of 128 (752881)
03-14-2015 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2015 4:50 PM


Re: It didn't fly then but now your theory is probably under attack
How about translating this is to some kind of recognizable language. Percy hasn't installed the gibberish translating module yet (but I think he needs to make that a priority - there has been a lot of it lately).

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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frako
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Message 69 of 128 (752886)
03-14-2015 10:00 AM
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03-13-2015 7:46 PM


Re: It didn't fly then but now your theory is probably under attack
Uless someone invents the wheel there are no roads no matter how much time passes, unless someone invents metal tools people use stone tools forever. A million a trillion years do not matter. And whiteout tools like this the population cannot increase because they cannot feed a larger population. Just like the native Americans or Australian aboriginals.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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celestialGyoud
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Message 70 of 128 (757958)
05-17-2015 3:00 AM


Average of years without multiplying: 4,750 per 5,000
You better see ( beyond the spoon )
it is the ascertained truth of the facts,

Quote:

It's only with a completely surrealist Chronological model like the one proposed by the Evolutionary theory to populations growth: that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying per every 5,000 years, that it could be possible for people in Europe to have taken 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.

The Evolution theory, in regards to the origin of the Human body, looks really bad because its chronological proposal to populations growth is proven to be an extremely serious error.

( From: Written on the outside and extremely encrypted )

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update


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celestialGyoud
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Message 71 of 128 (766842)
08-22-2015 2:04 PM


Evolutionary theory mathematically proven to be inconsistent
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Hello,

I hoped some teachers of Human origins could explain with numbers or estimates.

What we have seen so far, statements, not numbers nor estimates, which equate to saying that '.. there were many people in Europe 30,000 years ago ..'

and 'many' is word that only keeps us guessin'. It is not Math or estimates nor science.

*

In order for us to state and consider that the evolutionary explanation ( for the origin of the Human body ) is accurate,

the teachers of Human origins must be able to explain with numbers or estimates,

instead of statements only,

How did Humans grow and multiply 35 thousand years ago with a CONSTANT of 90 % of decrease or without having increased, which equates to Global Extermination taking place from a thousand years to another ?

*

EVIDENCE OF ANOMALY IN THE THEORY

*

With regards to the origin of the Human body, the Evolutionary theory has been mathematically proven to be inconsistent

Because, according to the numbers / estimates provided by the institutes of archeology the rate of multiplication that the population would have increased from 55,000 years equates to: p x 10 - 90 %

*

55 thousand years ago: 2,000
50 thousand years ago: 1,700
45 thousand years ago: 2,500
40 thousand years ago: 3,500
35 thousand years ago: 5,000

*

55 thousand years ago: 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 - 90 % = 2,000 people
50 thousand years ago: 1,700 x 10 = 17,000 - 90 % = 1,700 p
45 thousand years ago: 2,500 x 10 = 25,000 - 90 % = 2,500 p
40 thousand years ago: 3,500 x 10 = 35,000 - 90 % = 3,500 p
35 thousand years ago: 5,000 x 10 = 50,000 - 90 % = 5,000 p

*
The finals ( the totals ) can be changed and they still indicate global extermination occurring from a thousand years to another. ♯ ♯ ♯ – Anomaly has been found – Every 5,000 years the number of children would be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval. Another anomaly is not seeing it.

*

quote:

*

Quotes from SPOTLIGHT: How to Entangle a Juridical Panthera,

*
During the 5,000 years intervals, from 55 to 35 thousand years ago, the time that the population would multiply on a regular basis equates to 250 years.

Average of years without multiplying: 4,750 years per every 5,000 years. ( According to the multiplication rate proposed by the Evolutionary theory )

That is why the problem is not about a constant decrease allegedly caused by a variety of factors which do not explain the lack of consistency in the Evolutionary theory, in regards to the origin of the Human body.

The anomaly is the impossibility that their population reductions could have happened in a measure that corresponds to 4,750 years without multiplying, per every 5,000 years. Because Human beings do multiply according to a regular basis which was not taken into consideration when the time proposed for their multiplication had been given by the Evolutionary theory.

*

You can figure out the average based on the population that evolution describes. So, if you want to disprove evolution you calculate the average then show how that calculated value is.

Every person can figure out the average based on numbers that the Evolutionary theory had proposed for Humans to grow and multiply.

That is how you know and ascertain that teachers on Human origins are not able to disprove that the average or multiplication rate proposed by the Evolutionary theory is proven to be mathematically impossible.

Because the average of years without multiplying corresponds to 4,750 years per every 5,000 years, during two rows of 14,000 years from 49 to 21 thousand years ago.

*

You can see there is no argument to explain why Humans would have taken more than 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.

That is the anomaly of the Evolutionary proposal. And there is nothing you can do to solve the problem, unless you could prove that it is possible for Humans to stop multiplying during 4,750 years per every 5,000 years interval.

It is not fair nor professional to believe or trust in the word of archeologists regardless of the fact that they must and should explain why the list of numbers they provide does indicate global termination occurring from a thousand years to another.

You were given power of intelligent mind to see and understand what science is: the ascertained truth of the facts; that which you are able to demonstrate by the means of experience.


*

The real science: the truth of the facts by the means of Real life experiences have already demonstrated that the Human beings do multiply according to a regular basis,

that can not be less than population x 15 - 80 % otherwise you are proposing more decrease than increase.

The average of multiplication p x 10/15 - 90 is the actual rate of multiplication that has been proposed by financially supported institutes, surrealist archeologists who are paid to tell the approximate info and data that their sponsors would like to hear,

Mathematically p x 10/15 - 90 is the rate of multiplication that is proposed by any and every theory that places Human beings in Europe 35,000 years ago.

A regular average of multiplication corresponds to a very basic population growth model, which was not taken into consideration when the time proposed for their multiplication had been given by the Evolutionary theory.

quote:

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Population x 15 - 80 % per every thousand years is the lowest rate of population increase. 4 from every 5 inhabitants do not multiply. It's a model that reproduces the chaos, a state of miser and very bad conditions to population increase. Eighty percent of Humans were terminated or died because of wars, famines, diseases and other events and they've left no descendants.

Even when only the Fifth part survives you get 9,565,938,000 people in the end of 14 thousand years.

*

Population growth Sample / Model: Thin Red Line

Multiplication rate: 1 to 15 people - 80 % per every thousand years.

2nd cluster of 14 thousand years – From 35,000 years ago

European population: 2,000 people ( according to the Evolutionary theory )

*

1 thousand years |........ 2,000 x 15 = 30,000 - 80 %= 6,000 people
2 thousand years |........ 6,000 x 15 = 90,000 - 80 %= 18,000 p
3 thousand years |....... 18,000 x 15 = 270,000 - 80 %= 54,000 p
4 thousand years |....... 54,000 x 15 = 810,000 - 80 %= 162,000 p
5 thousand years |...... 162,000 x 15 = 2,430,000 - 80 %= 486,000 p
6 thousand years |...... 486,000 x 15 = 7,290,000 - 80 %= 1,458,000 p
7 thousand years |.... 1,458,000 x 15 = 21,870,000 - 80 %= 4,374,000 p

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8 thousand years |.... 4,374,000 x 15 = 65,610,000 - 80 %= 13,122,000 p
9 thousand years |... 13,122,000 x 15 = 196,830,000 - 80 %= 39,366,000 p
10 thousand years |.. 39,366,000 x 15 = 590,490,000 - 80 %= 118,098,000 p
11 thousand years |. 118,098,000 x 15 = 1,771,470,000 - 80 %= 354,294,000 p
12 thousand years | 354,294,000 x 15 = 5,314,410,000 - 80 %= 1,062,882,000 p
13 thousand years | 1,062,882,000 x 15 = 15,943,230,000 - 80 %= 3,188,646,000
14 thousand years | 3,188,646,000 x 15 = 47,829,690,000 - 80 %= 9,565,938,000

*

Evolutionary theory implies that the miscegenation in Europe would have started when they were 2,000 people. However, 2,000 people in Europe do not become 42 different linguistic ethnic groups through the means of miscegenation.

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : updates

Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : Even when only the Fifth part survives you get 9,565,938,000 people in the end of 14 thousand years.


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Message 72 of 128 (766887)
08-23-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by celestialGyoud
05-17-2015 3:00 AM


Re: Average of years without multiplying: 4,750 per 5,000
Crazy writes:

... that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying per every 5,000 years, that it could be possible for people in Europe to have taken 25 thousand years to reach 1 million.


Have you ever heard of death?
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Message 73 of 128 (766890)
08-23-2015 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by celestialGyoud
08-22-2015 2:04 PM


Re: Evolutionary theory mathematically proven to be inconsistent
I shall reply to this as soon as you translate it into English.
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celestialGyoud
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Message 74 of 128 (766910)
08-23-2015 7:10 PM
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08-23-2015 2:20 PM


It is mathematically proven to be inconsistent but money speaks louder than Math
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I hoped you ever heard of lowest possible rate of multiplication for Humans to grow and multiply,

because the Evolutionary explanation ( with regards to the origin of the Human body ) depends on it.

*

But you know money speaks louder than Math,

The best fish does not go to your home. You must go and bring the fish to your home.

Also archeologists do not go to your home for free.

If they are able to tell you lies then you ascertain with Math and know that they've lied to you,

because they did not come to tell you about datas for free or just because they like you.

They were sponsored, supported and paid by those who believe that evolution is what best explains the origin of the Human body. And whoever needs to sell books about the subject, and whoever needs to get paid for teaching Human origins according to Evolution.

Money has spoken about the importance and accuracy of surrealist datas provided by the respective organized/sponsored institutes.

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quote:
Quoted from topix evolution debate,

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When you act like believers then you simply believe that it's mathematically possible for 2,000 people in Europe to have taken more than 25,000 years to reach 1 million, which equates to p x 10/15 - 90 % ( per every thousand years ),

and it means neither decrease nor increase during 4,750 years per every row of 5,000 years.

That is why you believe that p x 15 - 80 percent per every thousand years is not the lowest possible multiplication rate for Humans to grow and multiply.

*

The blind leads the blind and Mary go after the other Maries.

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : Sponsored, supported and paid by those who believe that evolution is what best explains the origin of the Human body. And whoever needs to sell books about the subject, and whoever needs to get paid for teaching Human origins according to Evolution.

Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : The best fish does not go to your home. You must go and bring the fish to your home. Also archeologists do not go to your home for free.


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Message 75 of 128 (766912)
08-23-2015 7:14 PM
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08-23-2015 7:10 PM


Re: It is mathematically proven to be inconsistent but money speaks louder than Math
The Fish do not go to your home. You must go and bring the fish to your home.

Which fish must ringo bring to his home?


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