The Search for Moderate Islam

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Of course this thread isn't meant for making comparisons. Since the men in question were not Muslim, the whole thing is irrelevant.

Predictable Faith No Faith it is not PC so you can't use that excuse - which you couldn't even if true. What makes it difficult for you to follow is the cognitive dissonance of having your personal beliefs challenged by facts.It is facts and a discussion of the reality posed by violent activity around the world, whether by lone wolf individuals, covert groups (which has to include CIA operations in various countries as well as outfits like Al Queda) or by nations (Israeli bombing of Palestine civilians, US drone attacks, Russian troops in Ukraine etc).What makes the actions of these people's action terrorism ...

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Three Right-Wing Extremists Charged With Domestic Terrorism And Fox Ignores It

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The media would also have you think that the only terrorists in the world are Muslims, especially Fox. Fox looooooves to tell its viewers that Muslims are our biggest threat.

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So why is the media ignoring the indictment of three men accused of domestic terrorism for plotting large scale attacks on police? Well, because these guys are not liberal or black or Muslim; they are right-wing, lily-white extremists who want to protect the Constitution.

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Terry Eugene Peace, Brian Edward Cannon, and Cory Robert Williamson pleaded not guilty to charges of domestic terrorism and conspiring to defraud the government. They may also be charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, a charge that carries a sentence of life in prison.

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The men who are members of a militia group in Georgia had online chats monitored by the FBI during January and February of last year. In the conversations, the men discussed using guerrilla war tactics and attacking government agencies, and the metro Atlanta police station.

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The men also attempted to recruit other extremists to carry out attacks on the recruits’ home states.

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Hmmmmm. . . sounds just like the scary jihadists that Fox is always warning us about, doesn’t it?

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The men were originally arrested in February, 2014, in Tennessee when they met with an undercover FBI source and took possession of the explosives necessary to carry out their plots. In March, 2014, they were charged with conspiracy to receive and possess a destructive device, but it’s now been amended to domestic terrorism.

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So we have three obvious white, right-wing extremists who wanted to kill massive amounts of police and government officials, but you’re not hearing about it. Interesting.

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And then there are people like this:

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Violent and Dangerous: America's Sovereign Citizens Movement

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The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe that they not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.

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Sovereigns are clogging up the courts with indecipherable filings and when cornered, many of them lash out in rage, frustration and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence, usually directed against government officials. In May 2010, for example, a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers with an assault rifle when they were pulled over on the interstate while traveling through West Memphis, Ark.

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The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins. In the early 1980s, the sovereign citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government.

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iirc Timothy McVeigh was associated with them ... and the recent failed bomb outside an NAACP building in Colorado may have been involved.If you are truly worried about terrorist attack in the US killing Americans, then you are more likely to see it occur from people like this. The evidence is that there is a lack of certification as an "expert" in terrorism. There is no system that compares claims made by pundits on tv with actual facts. The evidence is that when such comparison is made, the claims made by self-proclaimed experts are largely incorrect. You don't want to believe that (cognitive dissonance), so you ignore the evidence. Wrong again Faith. Nobody was letting terrorist Muslim factions off the hook, they were fitting the hook to all parties involved in similar violence: some are Muslim, some are not.Who they were letting "off the hook" were the people not involved in violence: some are Muslim, some are not. Then what is your definition? How do you parse out particular groups and not include others ... I'm asking because I'm curious.Do these three guys, Terry Eugene Peace, Brian Edward Cannon, and Cory Robert Williamson, fit your definition: Are they terrorists?What about drone strikes? Bombing civilians?EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : added

What do right-wing extremists Terry Eugene Peace, Brian Edward Cannon, Cory Robert Williamson, the America's Sovereign Citizen Movement, and drone strikes have to do with moderate Islam?

It's way too simplistic to insist that discussions not involving Muslims are irrelevant.Some people are making simplistic arguments which can be rebutted by showing that one would not make those same arguments in other similar situations.We can consider the non-muslim discussion to be a lemma in the process of addressing the topic.I agree that it should not be necessary to show that moderate Islam is what moderate Islamist practice. But apparently insisting that such is not the case allows winning this thread to have some purpose when otherwise we'd see that it is based on a silly premise.

It would seem that more evidence is needed to show Muslims are moderate.Maybe a survey would help define the answer."Are you now planning an act of Terrorism?""Have you in the last two years committed an act of terrorism?""In the last two years have you contributed financially to any organization promoting or carrying out terrorism other than the US Government?""Do you or any of your family provide support other than financial to Muslims in the US that are terrorists?""Have you or any of your family volunteered to commit terrorism."...To assure honest responses the survey should carry a fine of $25.00 for each false answer.

Being involved in terrorism isn't the only way for a person to be non-moderate.Some kind of a survey or assessment is a good idea, though. What do you think of the survey conducted in the video from Message 86? (I transcribed the survey itself in Message 92.)

Not in a thread specifically about Islam it isn't! I have mentioned that whether other religions are moderate or not doesn't matter for this thread. The only reason to bring up another religion would be for giving examples of what a moderate religion might look like so we have something to assess against.

I thought it was really stupid.

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Care to elaborate?It was a survey. It asked a bunch of questions that can be used to assess whether someone is moderate or not. It got a shitload of responses.What's wrong?

It was totally pointless and taught nothing. It is as stupid as a Search for Moderate Islam or moderate Christianity or moderate Buddhism. It seems pointless but it might employ a few folk and so that may be a saving grace.

You're the fifth most active participant in this thread and all you can say now is that the topic is stupid?

Someone needed to say it. The idea of searching for moderate Islam has got to be one of the silliest threads yet.Moderate Islam, like moderate Christianity or moderate Buddhism or moderate Sikhism is everywhere. It is all the Muslims that do not make the news, the florists and grocers and lawyers and doctors and teachers and firemen and policemen and Imams and bankers and cab drivers and almost all the Muslims in the US and in the world. It's all the Muslims that just want to feed their families, not get killed, educate their sons and daughters and maybe even buy a new car for the wife to drive.