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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The way I view it, getting rid of the law that no one enforces does nothing. and I think all laws should expire after a period of time, like 20 years. If the law is still needed then a new version can be passed, possibly more suited to the current social conditions. It would also give the legislators something to do. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Make it 50 years to go with the other 50s.
Which reminds me (and Ed's ma is doing fine), make it so that within a company the top wage earner can make no more than 50 times the lowest wage earner. Forget a minimum wage, how about no worse than a 50th of the top earner?- xongsmith, 5.7d
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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and I think all laws should expire after a period of time, like 20 years. If the law is still needed then a new version can be passed, possibly more suited to the current social conditions. A good number of these 'no atheists' laws are placed in state constitutions. Are you okay with letting the constitutions expire every 20 years? How about the federal constitution? Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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We could have been done with the 2nd Amendment?
Oooo, I like it! But then, we might also have been done with the First. I'll pass.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A good number of these 'no atheists' laws are placed in state constitutions. Are you okay with letting the constitutions expire every 20 years? How about the federal constitution? Well if the US constitution were rewritten every 20 or 50 years, then all the amendments could have been included and the wording of obsolete sections (ie -- the way votes were counted and who could vote) could have been changed. Rulings by the Supreme Court could be reviewed and action taken to either comply or reverse the rulings. Then you pass or reject that (and dissolve government? Interesting proposition). Then you entertain new amendments (ones still in limbo and new ones ... and vote on them. And if you knew it was going to happen there would be a national discussion. It would truly be a living document. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Well if the US constitution were rewritten every 20 or 50 years, then all the amendments could have been included and the wording of obsolete sections (ie -- the way votes were counted and who could vote) could have been changed. Rulings by the Supreme Court could be reviewed and action taken to either comply or reverse the rulings. Sure. And fundamental rights would be exposed to popular review every couple of decades. We could redefine who is and who is not a citizen periodically; by popular request. No thanks. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I thought we were talking about state laws that banned atheists from elected office? And what about agnostic? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
And what about agnostic? quote:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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And we all know that Gish is not a credible source ...
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Atheism is different than agnosticism.
They are not different things on a spectrum. Atheism deals with belief. Agnosticism deals with knowledge. There are agnostic atheists and theists and gnostic atheists and theists. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5946 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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And we all know that Gish is not a credible source ... Abundantly true. I threw that in in order to show what the anti-atheists think about agnosticism. To them, an agnostic is the same thing as an atheist.
quote: ... I do agree. I am strongly agnostic in that I cannot see how humans could possibly have such extensively detailed and elaborated knowledge about the supernatural, something that we cannot observe or sense in any manner, nor even determine whether it even exists. I believe the agnostic position to be the only honest one from which we have to rely on assumptions in either the theist or atheist directions, but to keep ourselves honest we must constantly remember that we are relying on assumptions. I am also an atheist in that I do not believe in the gods; even though I cannot completely eliminate the possibility of some kind of supernatural entity of great enough power to be considered a god, I cannot assign more than near-zero probability that it would be anything like the elaborate gods that the theists have constructed. But since when has the actual meanings of words or even the truth ever meant anything to the anti-atheistic rabble? Or to any kind of rabble, for that matter?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
And therefore both atheists and agnostics disbelieve in God. QED
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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No an agnostic theist believes in a god, they just understand that they do not know there is a god.
An agnostic atheist does not believe in a god, but they admit they do not know there is a god. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And therefore both atheists and agnostics disbelieve in God. QED Nope. Atheists lack belief in god/s. The atheist says that the case for god/s has not been made. Agnostics lack certainty whether god/s exist or not. The agnostic says that neither the case that god/s exist, nor that they do not exist, have been made. You can be an agnostic theist, but not an atheist theist. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Sure. And fundamental rights would be exposed to popular review every couple of decades. We could redefine who is and who is not a citizen periodically; by popular request. That would be a concern, but if the rewrite on constitutions were limited to incorporation of already passed amendments and clarifying the language, while further modification required new amendments (with a higher bar to pass) that would provide for improving the document while maintaining the original protections from change by the tyranny of the masses. For amendments to be incorporated they would need to be passed by a super-majority rather than a simple majority vote. Does that work? Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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