A measured look at a difficult situation

My apologies. I have edited my post to make it more clear.C of E means Church of England in the context of English schools.I hope this helps.All the best.

I will say again. Not true. Provide scholarly evidence for this or quit saying it.

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Garca Crcel estimates that the total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560—1700about 2%the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, it is likely that the toll was much higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and Garca Crcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively. It is likely that between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[92]

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Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histrico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1540 and 1700. This material provides information on about 44,674 judgements, the latter studied by Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras. These 44,674 cases include 826 executions in persona and 778 in effigie. This material, however, is far from being completefor example, the tribunal of Cuenca is entirely omitted, because no relaciones de causas from this tribunal have been found, and significant gaps concern some other tribunals (e.g. Valladolid). Many more cases not reported to the Suprema are known from the other sources (e.g. no relaciones de causas from Cuenca have been found, but its original records have been preserved), but were not included in Contreras-Henningsen's statistics for the methodological reasons.[93] William Monter estimates 1000 executions between 1530—1630 and 250 between 1630—1730.[94]

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The archives of the Suprema only provide information surrounding the processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves, it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals; however, the majority have been lost to the devastation of war, the ravages of time or other events. Jean-Pierre Dedieu has studied those of Toledo, where 12,000 were judged for offences related to heresy.[95] Ricardo Garca Crcel has analyzed those of the tribunal of Valencia.[96] These authors' investigations find that the Inquisition was most active in the period between 1480 and 1530, and that during this period the percentage condemned to death was much more significant than in the years studied by Henningsen and Contreras. Henry Kamen gives the number of about 2,000 executions in persona in the whole of Spain up to 1530.[97]

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Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia
See wiki page for sources. The sources used data from original sources, not ravings of idiots and lunatics.

Because they weren't Catholic.

And your source is? Let me guess, someone with S.J. after his name.But remember we're talking at least 600 years of the Inquisition here, and only for Europe. The article considers all the stats he was able to find and somewhere around 9 million witches looks likely. Or be conservative and say one million.

I was thinking of the Salem witch trials, for whatever reason, because that's what people usually are referring to when they accuse Protestants of killing witches. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.The article on Scandinavia doesn't identify the persecutors. Even Protestant countries still had Catholic churches. I just need to think about it more.

Do you "fight for your freedom" by herding unarmed people naked out into the snow and freezing or starving them to death?

Where did I say any such thing? Either "good" or "individuals?" I thought I said they were also illegal since England was in charge. You really need to quote me since you don't remember what I said very well. The Irish Rebellion was the herding of unarmed people out to freeze or starve to death. What does that have to do with the Irish wanting to be in charge of their own destinies? The Americans won the war, I believe that's all I said, and that is what made for the transfer of authority. You seem to have made up some other version of what I said out of thin air.

How many is irrelevant. What for is the point. Were they executed for their faith or for some other reason?. Executing Catholics for treason, or in Henry the 8th's case not giving him an heir, is not executing Catholics for being Catholics. The comparison was with Catholic kings executing Protestants for being Protestants. Bloody Mary for instance.Care to try again? How many Catholics were executed by Henry or Edward for BEING CATHOLICS as opposed to treason or some other reason?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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I was thinking of the Salem witch trials, for whatever reason, because that's what people usually are referring to when they accuse Protestants of killing witches. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.

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Look, you can try to cover up your mistake but you're the one who claimed that the "grand total" of all witches killed by Protestants was just 19 - the number hanged at Salem.

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The article on Scandinavia doesn't identify the persecutors. Even Protestant countries still had Catholic churches. I just need to think about it more.

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The state churches were Protestant, so that doesn't hold much water.

Plaisted's article covers the Spanish Inquisition in Chapter 4, starting out with an estimate of two million just for Spain, which see.I really see no reason to trust your quote, obviously from a Spanish Catholic source, even only on that aspect of the whole Inquisition. The article by Plaisted covers the whole world wherever he can find statistics and he uses statistics from as many sources as he could find.

Cover up? I thought I was saying I'm sorry I wasn't clear. But I DID mean "grand total" FOR SALEM, I certainly had no other context in mind.I'll get back to Scandinavia eventually.

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Cover up? I thought I was saying I'm sorry I wasn't clear. But I DID mean "grand total" FOR SALEM, I certainly had no other context in mind.

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Can you think of a sensible reason for quoting the "grand total" of one trial - far from the largest - as against inflated estimates of the total killed by Catholics ? That would be an obvious apples-to-oranges comparison. Bad enough to confirm Larni's point.No, there is no good reason for citing the (incomplete) figure from the Salem trial alone. And even less for calling it a "grand total" with no context at all to even hint at any other meaning - Larni's post doesn't single out Salem. It'd be unbelievable, except for the fact that you make numerous other stupid mistakes.

I must say it is really really weird to have someone insist I didn't mean what I said after I've confirmed it over and over. Do you think you are omniscient or something?(ABE: Man it would be dangerous if YOU were an Inquisitor. Wow./ABE)I said what I said because I thought Larni had the Salem trials in mind because that's what people always have in mind. Silly I guess but that's the truth.abe: I don't know if the numbers in that article are "inflated." They are all over the map, that's for sure, but there are lots of estimates in the millions nevertheless. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I've been looking over that Wikipedia article you linked. What a joke, PK. It goes back and forth in time, some of it referring to time before the Protestant Reformation, and nowhere does it identify the persecuting entity, nowhere. It also says there were other trials of witches in the American colonies without giving any details or source of information. The names in their chart identified for America were ALL hanged in Salem.THAT ARTICLE IS PATHETIC. Find something better or give it up.

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I must say it is really really weird to have someone insist I didn't mean what I said after I've confirmed it over and over. Do you think you are omniscient or something?

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Now see, there's one more silly mistake. You're the one insisting that you didn't mean what you said. I'm pointing out that what you said you meant instead is just as bad.

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I said what I said because I thought Larni had the Salem trials in mind because that's what people always have in mind. Silly I guess but that's the truth.

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Which is still not an excuse for glossing over (likely) thousands of other executions.

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Besides, why should there be great numbers for Protestants anyway even if the context is the whole world? It's the RCC that murders people for not believing as they do.

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Neither the RCC nor western Protestants do that any more. Both did. To mention just one example you know of, the Boston martyrs.

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Protestants may think witches have cast spells or done other dangerous things, but that's not executing them just for disagreeing with Protestantism.

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I'm sure that the same applies to many Catholic witch trials.

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The Salem trials were about proving they had actually practiced witchcraft. Some 200 were charged, only 19 executed.

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20 were executed. One more was sentenced to death but died in prison before the sentence was carried out. Others escaped or died in prison before conviction. I can't find any suggestion that 200 people faced any formal charges, even including those never brought to trial.