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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
My apologies. I have edited my post to make it more clear.
C of E means Church of England in the context of English schools. I hope this helps. All the best.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The comparison was with millions of witches executed by the RCC.
I will say again. Not true. Provide scholarly evidence for this or quit saying it.
quote:Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia See wiki page for sources. The sources used data from original sources, not ravings of idiots and lunatics. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Then why do you speak of the American Revolutionaries as good individuals? Because they weren't Catholic.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The reality is in the thousands, And your source is? Let me guess, someone with S.J. after his name. But remember we're talking at least 600 years of the Inquisition here, and only for Europe. The article considers all the stats he was able to find and somewhere around 9 million witches looks likely. Or be conservative and say one million.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was thinking of the Salem witch trials, for whatever reason, because that's what people usually are referring to when they accuse Protestants of killing witches. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.
The article on Scandinavia doesn't identify the persecutors. Even Protestant countries still had Catholic churches. I just need to think about it more.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you "fight for your freedom" by herding unarmed people naked out into the snow and freezing or starving them to death?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then why do you speak of the American Revolutionaries as good individuals? Where did I say any such thing? Either "good" or "individuals?" I thought I said they were also illegal since England was in charge. You really need to quote me since you don't remember what I said very well.
They were exactly the same as the Irish in wanting to be in charge of their own destinies and wanting to have the same freedoms afforded to others who were under the Crown. The Irish Rebellion was the herding of unarmed people out to freeze or starve to death. What does that have to do with the Irish wanting to be in charge of their own destinies?
The Americans even began fighting before war was declared against the Crown, so they were attacking those who had actual authority. According to you, England should have sent all of her forces and decimated the Americans as a lesson, just as they did with Cromwell in Ireland. The Americans won the war, I believe that's all I said, and that is what made for the transfer of authority. You seem to have made up some other version of what I said out of thin air.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A question for you: how many Catholics did Henry VIII, Edward VI kill during their reign?
How many is irrelevant. What for is the point. Were they executed for their faith or for some other reason?. Executing Catholics for treason, or in Henry the 8th's case not giving him an heir, is not executing Catholics for being Catholics. The comparison was with Catholic kings executing Protestants for being Protestants. Bloody Mary for instance. Care to try again? How many Catholics were executed by Henry or Edward for BEING CATHOLICS as opposed to treason or some other reason? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Look, you can try to cover up your mistake but you're the one who claimed that the "grand total" of all witches killed by Protestants was just 19 - the number hanged at Salem.
quote: The state churches were Protestant, so that doesn't hold much water.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Plaisted's article covers the Spanish Inquisition in Chapter 4, starting out with an estimate of two million just for Spain, which see.
I really see no reason to trust your quote, obviously from a Spanish Catholic source, even only on that aspect of the whole Inquisition. The article by Plaisted covers the whole world wherever he can find statistics and he uses statistics from as many sources as he could find.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Cover up? I thought I was saying I'm sorry I wasn't clear. But I DID mean "grand total" FOR SALEM, I certainly had no other context in mind.
I'll get back to Scandinavia eventually.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Can you think of a sensible reason for quoting the "grand total" of one trial - far from the largest - as against inflated estimates of the total killed by Catholics ? That would be an obvious apples-to-oranges comparison. Bad enough to confirm Larni's point. No, there is no good reason for citing the (incomplete) figure from the Salem trial alone. And even less for calling it a "grand total" with no context at all to even hint at any other meaning - Larni's post doesn't single out Salem. It'd be unbelievable, except for the fact that you make numerous other stupid mistakes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Can you think of a sensible reason for quoting the "grand total" of one trial - far from the largest - as against inflated estimates of the total killed by Catholics ? That would be an obvious apples-to-oranges comparison. Bad enough to confirm Larni's point. I must say it is really really weird to have someone insist I didn't mean what I said after I've confirmed it over and over. Do you think you are omniscient or something? (ABE: Man it would be dangerous if YOU were an Inquisitor. Wow./ABE) I said what I said because I thought Larni had the Salem trials in mind because that's what people always have in mind. Silly I guess but that's the truth. abe: I don't know if the numbers in that article are "inflated." They are all over the map, that's for sure, but there are lots of estimates in the millions nevertheless. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've been looking over that Wikipedia article you linked. What a joke, PK. It goes back and forth in time, some of it referring to time before the Protestant Reformation, and nowhere does it identify the persecuting entity, nowhere. It also says there were other trials of witches in the American colonies without giving any details or source of information. The names in their chart identified for America were ALL hanged in Salem.
THAT ARTICLE IS PATHETIC. Find something better or give it up.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Now see, there's one more silly mistake. You're the one insisting that you didn't mean what you said. I'm pointing out that what you said you meant instead is just as bad.
quote: Which is still not an excuse for glossing over (likely) thousands of other executions.
quote: Neither the RCC nor western Protestants do that any more. Both did. To mention just one example you know of, the Boston martyrs.
quote: I'm sure that the same applies to many Catholic witch trials.
quote: 20 were executed. One more was sentenced to death but died in prison before the sentence was carried out. Others escaped or died in prison before conviction. I can't find any suggestion that 200 people faced any formal charges, even including those never brought to trial.
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