Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

I don't try to determine it in many cases, sometimes it's just clear that something is judgment.

I don't try to determine it in many cases, sometimes it's just clear that something is judgment.

So we have to relie on you, our new prophet sent form the lord to divine to us what simply explainable events are gods judgment and what are not?

Not everything is judgment.

IOW, you just make it up as you go along.

If the US bans gay marriage, and then there is a plague that kills a million people, that wasn't a judgement.

If the US allows gay marriage, and then there is a plague that kills a million people, that was a judgement against the US.

That's how it works, does it not?

I don't try to determine it in many cases, sometimes it's just clear that something is judgment.

How is it, exactly, that you draw a distinction between "I determine" and "It's just clear"?

KP

Faith writes: I don't try to determine it in many cases, sometimes it's just clear that something is judgment.

Sometimes, when I'm walking down the street, I'll think, "Ice cream!" I don't try to determine why I want ice cream, though it's very clear that I do. Must be a sign from God.

The letter to Buckingham supposedly calling him "wife" is just odd. abe: For him to mention God loving him in a letter to a homosexual lover makes NO sense at all. It sounds like a letter he would have written to his wife Anne that got misattributed to Buckingham, and how that might have happened raises all kinds of strange questions about the integrity of somebody in this saga. /abe.

Queen Anne died in March 1619, more than five years before the date of this letter. Being in the same situation myself, I accept that a widower might write letters to his wife; my late wife is often in my thoughts, and I suppose that I might put my thoughts on paper in a letter to her. However, King James's letter looks to me like something written to a living person, not to somebody who has been dead for several years.

The Wikipedia article on Buckingham has him saying he only lives in the world for James, not the other way around as you have it.

Perhaps the feeling was mutual.

Sometimes, when I'm walking down the street, I'll think, "Ice cream!" I don't try to determine why I want ice cream, though it's very clear that I do. Must be a sign from God.

If it's "Neopolitan" or "Rocky Road" it is clearly a sign from Satan.

Meanwhile ...

Over the weekend, Republicans in the Michigan Statehouse passed a “license to discriminate” bill that would give just about anyone the right to refuse service to LGBT people if it conflicted with their religious beliefs.

The broadly written Religious Freedom Restoration Act would allow, for example, an EMT to refuse emergency treatment to a gay person or a pharmacist to refuse to refill HIV medication, because God decreed gays and lesbians should be put to death.

The measure is similar to one in Arizona that even right-wing governor Jan Brewer thought went too far and vetoed.

So ... this.

A Colorado baker is facing a state discrimination investigation after refusing to make a cake with a bitter theme. But a Texas ministry on Thursday disavowed the complaint one of its co-founders filed against the woman who refused to sell him cakes with anti-gay messages.

Marjorie Silva, owner of Azucar Bakery in Denver, said she told the man, Bill Jack of the Denver suburb of Castle Rock, that she wouldn't fill his order last March for two cakes in the shape of the Bible, to be decorated with phrases like "God hates gays" and an image of two men holding hands with an "X" on top.

Silva told NBC station KUSA of Denver that she later received a discrimination complaint from the Civil Rights Division of the Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies. "After I read it, I was like, 'No way,'" Silva said. "We're not doing this. This is just very discriminatory and hateful."

I don't often say this, but well played, evil bigot, well played. This is what I was talking about. She shouldn't have the right to refuse him service based on his views, but she should have the right to not actually endorse his views by providing him with a service. Let's ban discrimination by all means, but there ought to be a fence around people's first amendment rights --- the government can't force people to say things they violently disagree with.

I think - but I'm not sure - that in the UK the baker would have a defence against the discrimination charge because had she complied she might have been guilty of a crime herself.

Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden.[1][2][3] Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden.[4] The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[5]

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Except that in THIS case the baker agreed to do everything but the offensive slogans. The cake and the inoffensive decorations WERE offered. That is quite a difference, and may be sufficient in itself to give this case a different outcome.

Also, I think he'd have a big problem arguing that anti-gay bigots are a protected class.

Well, as a British expat I don't like to say anything bad about the UK. Nonetheless ... I do like the First Amendment, I like the rigid application of it. Then I look at Europe and I find that in the UK there are laws such as you cite --- and in France they can ban the burqa. If there is one thing the USA can teach the EU, it's that you need a First Amendment. If the government can control speech and expression ad hoc, then speech is not free, and you are not free.

It's a very controversial law - its heart is in the right place but it's a step too far.

Edited by Tangle, : It's and its get me 3 times out of ten. Grrr

Also, I think he'd have a big problem arguing that anti-gay bigots are a protected class.

But he's doing it, and rather well. He wants a cake that expresses his deeply-held religious beliefs. If he is refused, he is being discriminated against because the owners of the cake shop don't like his religious beliefs. There is apparently a law in Colorado protecting him from that. I say that this law goes too far.