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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your scenario is even more drastic than mine. But of course there is no sin or judgment in your scenario --- well, there IS but you don't recognize it as such.
OK, a pride bet then but I'm no longer sure what we're betting on. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet you have so far refused to present any evidence that any of their First Amendment Rights were infringed.
How does a cake validate or enable a marriage? Have they been told they cannot hold their personal beliefs no matter how silly and bigoted those beliefs might be? It really is that simple Faith.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8546 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
OK, a pride bet then but I'm no longer sure what we're betting on. Your god will die in my scenario before I die in his.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What I'm expecting is a breakdown of many things at once just as you are, the economy for a big one, but primarily the complete destruction of Constitutional American government, which I see foreshadowed in many ways because Cultural Marxism's Political Correctness already rules over the Constitution, but relevant to this discussion particularly in your willingness, and Ringo's, to take away the First Amendment protection of religion from Christians. That you and he could so adamantly declare the righteousness of such an action would be depressing if I hadn't had years to get used to it by now. And that the government (the courts) has already acted on such a violation of religious freedom by fining business owners for acting on their religious rights by refusing to cater to gay marriage, isn't even really noticed here, is it?
But that's only what's going on here, on this thread. I also anticipate food shortages by the way, but I haven't been stockpiling although I know many who have been. I'll rely on God to provide in answer to prayer. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You should stop trying to read my mind. You're really bad at it.
Of course, "bigots" according to you are those who refuse to give up the tenets of their religion, as long as it's the orthodox Biblical Christian religion. Faith writes:
A Muslim would be a bigot if he wanted to force his standards on YOU, like you want to force your standards on homosexuals.
But you wouldn't call a Muslim a bigot for refusing to give up FGM would you? Faith writes:
I don`t tell you what to believe. In fact, I defend your right to believe any stupid thing you want to believe. What I oppose is trying to impose your beliefs on other people.
... YOU're the bigot with the irrational standards, who gives yourself the right to tell us what we should believe....
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don`t tell you what to believe. In fact, I defend your right to believe any stupid thing you want to believe. What I oppose is trying to impose your beliefs on other people. That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs? Of course, just as I've been saying, no more First Amendment protection of religion, just revisionist perversity.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs?
Which is to deprive other people of their own "business for acting on their religious belief"? So you define your own religious "business" on your own "right" to oppress the religious business of others? And you dare to denounce that denial of others' religious rights as being in violation of your own?
... First Amendment protection of religion ...
For your own protection, as for others'.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Hi Faith.
Is it just America going down the pan that is an indication of the End Times or are other countries required to also go down the pan? Over here in Jolly Old England where I live in Plymouth, things seem to be on the up and up. Crime is down and wages are going up. Is it just America that is the barometer for the nearness of the End Times? All the best.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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I think the point that Ringo is trying to make is that every Christian is free to sit and seethe in bitter resentment about the equality those no good gays have as long as they don't break the law.
Render unto Caesar, etc. All the bestThe above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I haven't said anything about "depriving people of their business". What I've said is that people can deprive THEMSELVES of their own business by refusing to comply with community standards. If they keep a filthy kitchen, or refuse to serve black people or homosexuals, they are violating community standards and are not entitled to a business license. Their religious beliefs do not entitle them to dictate community standards.
That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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How does a wedding cake support a marriage? Are marriages without a cake still valid? OK, but suppose someone refused to supply timber to a KKK cross-burning ceremony. I think there is still a problem.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs?
Which is to deprive other people of their own "business for acting on their religious belief"? The forces that twist the truth from good to evil and evil to good are just too too clever. Aren't you all? There's hardly any point in pointing out the obvious fact that a Christian business owner is not depriving anybody of anything by refusing to make a wedding cake for a certain kind of function, because you've decided that's what it is and that's that. As a Christian I would accept it if a Jewish bakery didn't want to make a cake celebrating the Risen Christ for Easter; I can get such things elsewhere and enjoy the Jewish offerings for what they are. Likewise gays can get their wedding cakes elsewhere, they can have all the baked goods they want otherwise, and there is no deprivation involved. Except in the minds of those determined to do away with Christianity. The First Amendment was intended to protect my right to my religious beliefs, period. There is no clause that says "except when running a Christian business, then you have to stop having your Christian beliefs."
So you define your own religious "business" on your own "right" to oppress the religious business of others? See above for the reasonable answer to such sophistry.
And you dare to denounce that denial of others' religious rights as being in violation of your own? There is nothing that says my religious rights have to be abrogated in order to allow others, and you are engaging in a really scurrilous form of sophistry here. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I tried to give you a Cheer but the button wouldn't do it for some reason. Imagine that, me giving YOU a cheer.
abe: Oh I see it did come through after all. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I haven't said anything about "depriving people of their business". What I've said is that people can deprive THEMSELVES of their own business by refusing to comply with community standards. If they keep a filthy kitchen, or refuse to serve black people or homosexuals, they are violating community standards and are not entitled to a business license. Their religious beliefs do not entitle them to dictate community standards. I think Political Correctness must attack certain parts of the brain, producing nonsense thought and galloping sophistry. Keeping a clean kitchen and serving blacks and gays is not a violation of my religious beliefs, only providing a service for a gay wedding is, and that is not a violation of anything except the corrupt standards of Political Correctness, but your position IS a violation of my First Amendment right to act on my religious beliefs by refusing a particular service that violates them.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Dr A. writes:
OK, but suppose someone refused to supply timber to a KKK cross-burning ceremony.I think there is still a problem. I think you'll find that that particular problem will be resolved. (You'll spot the glow in the distance on your way home.) But it's a pretty fine balance, you complained when I pointed out the UK law that might provide a defence. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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