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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Straggler writes: Anyone who lacks the belief that there is an axe murderer waiting for them at home is an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist in exactly the same way that anyone who lacks a positive belief in any gods can accurately be described as an atheist. Correct.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jon Inactive Member
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Being agnostic "about belief" is a nonsensical concept. Nobody is arguing that.
I'm pretty sure they are - we're a few hundred posts into it. I would have noticed.... Where, specifically, have you seen people arguing that?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Anyone who lacks the belief that there is an axe murderer waiting for them at home is an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist in exactly the same way that anyone who lacks a positive belief in any gods can accurately be described as an atheist. Of course.
But special pleading it remains. Who cares? It's a topic often-enough discussed that people feel the need for concise terminology. The same way people prefer the term "computer" to the poorly-descriptive phrase "lightning in a box thinking device". The existence of every word is a case of 'special pleading' in as much as it reflects speakers' desires to compact the things they talk about most often into smaller, more manageable chunks. But, again, who cares?Love your enemies!
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I guess the people who might care are those who are being denied access to certain positions within US society based on their lack of belief via terminology that embraces religionist special pleading.
More generally anyone attempting to make a logical argument about theism might object to being hampered by the use of terminology that incorporates special pleading at it's heart.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Jon writes: Being agnostic "about belief" is a nonsensical concept. Nobody is arguing that....Where, specifically, have you seen people arguing that? At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief, just pick a couple of my posts randomly - but you know, people here have got so used to their entrenched postions that getting them to think about something in a slightly different way seems to trigger an autonomous brain fart.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jon Inactive Member |
You're full of shit, Straggler.
The word exists because people have use for it. It'd be stupid to get rid of terminology that people employ on a regular basis. If you find it offensive and want a euphemism for it, suggest one. Otherwise stop being ridiculous. And no one is being denied access to anything within U.S. society. And if they are, changing up terminology won't have any effect on that. As usual, you're just being a tool.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Talk about brain farts!
At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief, just pick a couple of my posts randomly ... We know you keep saying that. Ringo was pointing out that no one was arguing the opposite and so your 'counter' argument was counter to nothing. There's nothing to talk about if we all agree that being agnostic about belief is a nonsensical position; and everyone seems to think it is. Let's go home, eh?Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion? Suppose I have. Why don't you remind me?Love your enemies!
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion? There was a point?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Read the last 30 posts, then get back to me.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
You asked who cares. I provided an answer as to who might indeed care. Apparently you didn't like the answer provided. Ho hum.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief, I'm not sure what it means to be "agnostic about belief." But you surely can be agnostic about the existence of God.
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Jon Inactive Member |
The question is still the same: Who cares?
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Jon Inactive Member |
Read the last 30 posts, then get back to me. That's what I thought.Love your enemies!
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