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Tangle
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Message 226 of 777 (748476)
01-26-2015 11:53 AM
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01-26-2015 11:48 AM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Straggler writes:
Anyone who lacks the belief that there is an axe murderer waiting for them at home is an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist in exactly the same way that anyone who lacks a positive belief in any gods can accurately be described as an atheist.
Correct.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Jon
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Message 227 of 777 (748482)
01-26-2015 12:27 PM
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01-26-2015 11:23 AM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Being agnostic "about belief" is a nonsensical concept. Nobody is arguing that.
I'm pretty sure they are - we're a few hundred posts into it. I would have noticed....
Where, specifically, have you seen people arguing that?

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Jon
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Message 228 of 777 (748485)
01-26-2015 12:34 PM
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01-26-2015 11:48 AM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Anyone who lacks the belief that there is an axe murderer waiting for them at home is an a-axemurdererinmyhouse-ist in exactly the same way that anyone who lacks a positive belief in any gods can accurately be described as an atheist.
Of course.
But special pleading it remains.
Who cares?
It's a topic often-enough discussed that people feel the need for concise terminology. The same way people prefer the term "computer" to the poorly-descriptive phrase "lightning in a box thinking device".
The existence of every word is a case of 'special pleading' in as much as it reflects speakers' desires to compact the things they talk about most often into smaller, more manageable chunks.
But, again, who cares?

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Straggler
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Message 229 of 777 (748491)
01-26-2015 12:54 PM
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01-26-2015 12:34 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
I guess the people who might care are those who are being denied access to certain positions within US society based on their lack of belief via terminology that embraces religionist special pleading.
More generally anyone attempting to make a logical argument about theism might object to being hampered by the use of terminology that incorporates special pleading at it's heart.

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Tangle
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Message 230 of 777 (748492)
01-26-2015 1:01 PM
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01-26-2015 12:27 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Jon writes:
Being agnostic "about belief" is a nonsensical concept. Nobody is arguing that....
Where, specifically, have you seen people arguing that?
At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief, just pick a couple of my posts randomly - but you know, people here have got so used to their entrenched postions that getting them to think about something in a slightly different way seems to trigger an autonomous brain fart.

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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Jon
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Message 231 of 777 (748510)
01-26-2015 1:58 PM
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01-26-2015 12:54 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
You're full of shit, Straggler.
The word exists because people have use for it. It'd be stupid to get rid of terminology that people employ on a regular basis. If you find it offensive and want a euphemism for it, suggest one. Otherwise stop being ridiculous.
And no one is being denied access to anything within U.S. society. And if they are, changing up terminology won't have any effect on that.
As usual, you're just being a tool.

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Jon
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Message 232 of 777 (748518)
01-26-2015 2:12 PM
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01-26-2015 1:01 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Talk about brain farts!
At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief, just pick a couple of my posts randomly ...
We know you keep saying that. Ringo was pointing out that no one was arguing the opposite and so your 'counter' argument was counter to nothing.
There's nothing to talk about if we all agree that being agnostic about belief is a nonsensical position; and everyone seems to think it is.
Let's go home, eh?

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Tangle
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Message 233 of 777 (748526)
01-26-2015 2:59 PM
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01-26-2015 2:12 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Jon
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Message 234 of 777 (748528)
01-26-2015 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Tangle
01-26-2015 2:59 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion?
Suppose I have. Why don't you remind me?

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Message 235 of 777 (748538)
01-26-2015 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Tangle
01-26-2015 2:59 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
I don't suppose for a second or two, that you might wonder whether you've have missed the point of the discussion?
There was a point?

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Tangle
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Message 236 of 777 (748539)
01-26-2015 3:51 PM
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01-26-2015 3:15 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Read the last 30 posts, then get back to me.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Straggler
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Message 237 of 777 (748552)
01-26-2015 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Jon
01-26-2015 1:58 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
You asked who cares. I provided an answer as to who might indeed care. Apparently you didn't like the answer provided. Ho hum.

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Message 238 of 777 (748556)
01-26-2015 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Tangle
01-26-2015 1:01 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
At a guess I think I've said about 30 times that you can't be agnostic about belief,
I'm not sure what it means to be "agnostic about belief." But you surely can be agnostic about the existence of God.

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Jon
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Message 239 of 777 (748558)
01-26-2015 8:28 PM
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01-26-2015 6:56 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
The question is still the same: Who cares?

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Jon
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Message 240 of 777 (748562)
01-26-2015 8:56 PM
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01-26-2015 3:51 PM


Re: agnostic anyone? when "don't know" is the logical answer.
Read the last 30 posts, then get back to me.
That's what I thought.

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