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Message 191 of 289 (748305)
01-24-2015 1:52 PM
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01-24-2015 1:11 PM


Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
OK, I'll take it all back then.

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Message 194 of 289 (748377)
01-25-2015 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Heathen
01-25-2015 3:36 AM


Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
Utter nonsense isn't worth knowing.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 196 of 289 (748409)
01-25-2015 4:08 PM
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01-25-2015 2:22 PM


Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
"Showing evidence" for everything that comes down the pike at EvC is a lost cause and often only serves to wear a person out, especially when there are half a dozen opponents to deal with. My eyes are bad, I strain them just being here most of the time, I don't see subjecting them to lengthy utter nonsense.
Tempe posted something very long starting out saying that the Irish Rebellion was the same as the American war of independence or at least the first stage of it or something like that, and I simply refuse to compare a mass murder with that historical event. He then went on to say that the War of 1812 was similar to Cromwell's invasion and by that time I'm just not listening, sorry. I did check to see if he made a case for the similarity and he didn't, simply said they were the same thing.

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Message 198 of 289 (748480)
01-26-2015 12:18 PM
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01-26-2015 11:54 AM


Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
No, I see it as mass murder because it was mass murder. In fact I didn't even say they were Protestants this time. The victims were unarmed, the perps undressed them and herded them out to die. That's mass murder, that's not a battle over land. And the settlers weren't the enemy anyway, it was the English government.
Cromwell was sent to put down the rebellion, that is not the same thing as the English coming over here to make another try at conquering America.
What I don't understand in all this is why the Protestants would put themselves in such a dangerous position in the first place.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 200 of 289 (748555)
01-26-2015 7:54 PM
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01-26-2015 5:21 PM


Re: Crime and its punishment aren't the same thing
Sure go back to the Guardian article. But I think it's at Wikipedia too. I got it from one of those places.

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Message 205 of 289 (748749)
01-29-2015 1:17 AM


Just a little reminder that I'm not interested in Irish history as such. I noted two things, the Irish Rebellion and the aggressions of the IRA, both as examples of Catholic aggression against Protestants. According to the other contributors to this thread these things ought to be understood in the broader context of Irish politics and not specifically as Catholic-Protestant events. Since they just ARE Catholic-Protestant events, while I accept that they occurred in a broader political context, I still have to keep their religious nature in mind.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 208 of 289 (748769)
01-29-2015 11:19 AM
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01-29-2015 8:33 AM


Except the "Proddy" violence was all in the form of military retaliation, not wholesale murder of unarmed people by herding them out to die in the snow, or bombs blowing them up.

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Message 211 of 289 (748779)
01-29-2015 11:46 AM
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01-29-2015 11:28 AM


Re: From Matthew
There is nothing along those lines anywhere in the Bible that I know of.

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Message 217 of 289 (748815)
01-29-2015 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
01-29-2015 11:52 AM


Thank you, that is finally genuine information that makes your case after a lot of irrelevant stuff.

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Message 219 of 289 (748822)
01-29-2015 4:50 PM
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01-29-2015 1:22 PM


That's the sort of information you should have posted long ago. I was clear what I was saying but all the answers were not to the point. I'm not interested in Irish politics as such.

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Message 221 of 289 (748839)
01-30-2015 4:38 AM
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01-30-2015 2:19 AM


Maybe it had something to do with your tone, attitude etc. I don't read much of posts that say things like Ian Paisley was the leader of the sectarian bigots. I'm a fan of Paisley's so of course I'm going to ignore you. Too bad.

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Message 223 of 289 (748842)
01-30-2015 4:47 AM
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01-30-2015 4:44 AM


I refuse to read snark and rudeness. Sometimes.

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Message 225 of 289 (748866)
01-30-2015 12:39 PM
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01-30-2015 12:17 PM


Gosh, reading snark and rudeness is now commanded by the Bible? Golly gee heck, the way you interpret the Bible is Something Else. But nobody has to read mine either.

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Message 227 of 289 (748884)
01-30-2015 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by NoNukes
01-30-2015 2:02 PM


Well, what would you guess was my reason?
Second look I think it was the way the post was put together, not easy to tell what his subject was, plus the snark about Ian Paisley, but I don't remember the post so anything's possible.
ABE: Third look:
To Faith: I ask you to do some research on your claims that the IRA began the conflict, and that ONLY protestants were adversely affected.
This is probably the main reason, he's asking me to do research when he should be supplying the information he wants me to find on my own. And I never said that "only Protestants were adversely affected," my position was that they were murdered. The Catholics surely suffered too, as Tempe had already pointed out many times, but not by being murdered outright, and there was also the theme that kept being denied, that the Catholics were suffering from the effects of legal punishments. Also I never said it was only a religious conflict, only that it was the religious conflict I was interested in. It's a long post and I think I must have skimmed it, seen those things that hit me as not worth spending time on, and went on. All that is probably why I didn't see any point in addressing it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 229 of 289 (748898)
01-30-2015 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by NoNukes
01-30-2015 9:28 PM


I think the last thing I said about my reason for passing over his post is correct and you are quite wrong to insist on your own interpretation of my motives in any case. I saw that admonition to research it and that was more than enough. Didn't get to his information which at a glance didn't seem to be very well supported anyway.
I've been collecting information on the Catholic Church for some time, but it needs a lot more research than I've been up to. Lots of sources. One I'd like to get when I can afford it is H. Grattan Guinness, forget the title. Some of his are online though. You can check my Catholicism blog for a start as to where I'm getting my inspiration.

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