I hate being right

This from a very knowledgeable and very experience 68 year old SUPER
Atheist.Any person who believes in RIGHT Over Wrong, and in Good Over Evil knows that getting rid of regime which had a special prison set up JUST for the holding, beating, raping, torture and murder of CHILDREN, was the FIGHT THING TO DO!PERIOD! END Of STORY!Next, anyone who is SO IGNORANT of the FACTS and is SO LACKING in the use of both logic and common sense as to NOT KNOW that Saddass did have WMD
and that THEY WILL BE FOUND, probalby has trouble dressing themselves!Neil C. Reinhardt

Anyone who does not know that TWELVE
YEARS and SEVENTEEN UN Resolutions are MORE than enough reason for us to FREE Iraq, is so illogical their thoughs are not revelent!Neil C. Reinhardt

Really?Another way to handle it?What do you suggest? to Pray?While we watched Saddass, his sons and his regime imprison, beat, rape and kill more children?To murder hundreds of thousands more Iraqi's?People like you crack me up as you are aways talking about "some other
way' yet you NEVER give a viable and workable "other way"(Sorry if I mispell some things. Any one with a working brain knows that as long as the desired communication
is achieved, correct spelling is not
a requirment.)I'll bet you were against us freeing Kuwiat or stopping the killing in Bosina, Crosia and Kosovo.Anyone who was against that was WRONG
as well!Guys like you sit around wringing your hands and talking while people
are being tortured and killed by the
thousands while people like me take action to stop it.If we had not taken action, at least
tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands MORE people would be dead.Te FACTS are that MANY MORE PEOPLE were KILLED by SADDAM EACH year than have died in this war!There was NO other answer and if you do not realize that you are just plain naive. (And since I am trying to be nice, I am not even saying what I really think.)Or maybe you and those who think like you, can somehow figure out a way to go live with Alice in Wonderland. You should feel right at home there!After all, the real world may be a little too much for your type to handle.

CrashfrogYou call your response LOGICAL?It is so FAR from being a rational and logical reply, it is not worth my time to responed to any further than
this.

Hi,thanks for your offer.Some people just like to debate (argue) so much they will take the opposite side of an issue to do so.I have never done that and never will as I consider it to be a waste of time.While I do not like to debate (or argue) I also do not like to read things which are, to put it bluntly, total BS!So I reply to them.So thanks again only I have not interest in continuing this "debate"
as it would be nothing other than a total waste of my time. Time I would rather use learning new things.

As for the WMD, I am sure glad that some people here know more about it than the intelligence agencies of MANY countries, the UN, the people who worked on them in Iraq and the people killed by them.(And that they do not care that segments of the Italian intelligence agencies who were against our actions in Iraq forged papers about the uranium buying in Africa. And that it done so in an effort to discredit both the American & British governments.)With all the brilliant knowledge available from some on here, I am sure all of the worlds problems will be quickly solved.And the logic used!!!My my, of course Saddam would rather be invaded, his family killed and thrown out of power rather than allowing the UN the free access for the inspections they had been after for 12 years.Rather than letting the UN inspection teams talk to people who were not building things which were not there.(Yea, Right!)It is MUCH better to LOSE EVERYTHING than it would be to let others in to see what you do not have!DUH!As I have said for MANY MANY years, it seems about the ONLY thing MOST Atheists use logic on is their non-
belief in a god or gods.(Any of the more than 30,000 gods we humans have invented so far.)While Saddam as a very bad person, he is still an intelligent person. Anyone who really thinks that he would suffer a total defeat over something he does not have, most certainly suffers from a LACK of logical thinking skills.Anyone who thinks ALL of those various intelligence agencies were wrong and all those who worked on WMD are liars, all those killed by a WMD (poison gas) are not dead, and that the Israeli air force did not take out an atomic research/bomb making facility are either totally ignorant of the facts or they are just too dumb to comprehend facts!As to the comments on Clinton, he could not have taken more serious action than he did as he would not have had e support in Congress necessary to support it.He did what he could do and MOST of you have NO clue as to the behind the scenes things he was doing in trying to solve the problem.Of course, the money some of the idiot Republicans (and no I am not a Democrate either) spent (more than $40,000,000) the wasted hours and hours and hours trying to find some REAL crime Clinton suppostedly committed, could have been better spent on intelligence gathering so we could do more than launch a few cruise missles!

Two things and I am out of hereThere WERE, & there ARE WMD in Iraq.
They WILL BE found and anyone who wants to put money where their mouth is STEP UP!First of all, IF the "perjury" you are referring to was when Clinton said he did not have 'sexual relations" with Monica, he was NOT
lying!(I am sure I will have to explain that to you as you are most probably ignorant of the facts.)A word (or words) are defined by how the MAJORITY of people use them.SEVEN YEARS before Clinton testimony, a comprehensive sexual research project was compleated.One of the questions asked was if the respondents considered "oral sex" to be "sexual relations"SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT said NO!That ONLY actual virginal penetration by a mans penis was considered to be sexual relations.So when Clinton was asked if he had sexual relations with Monica, he CORRECTLY (in agreement with 67% of the people) said NO, he had NOT lied.Did he lie about other sexual matters?Maybe yes, and maybe, no.The facts are that it is NONE of YOUR, or of ANYONE (other than maybe his wife) ELSE's business!If he lied about sex, it did NOT get us in a war we should not be in. Like the Tonking Gulf bit. It did not cause the torture and deaths of ten's of thousands in Guatemala like another President's lies did.FACT #1. EVERYBODY LIES!The AVERAGE person LIES over 20 times a DAY!FACT #2. Politicians lie just like everyone else does.Jessie Helms told about the Chinese tank in Tinnemmen (however it is spelled) Square who supposedy squashed the lone guy standing in front tank as flat as a pancake.The problem is that is NOT what happened!What the Chinese did to the students and others was terrible and a one guy stopped a tank. Yet the tank did NOT squash him.Eisenhower lied for United Fruit and over 50,000 people died in Guatemala because of it. Multi-thousands more were tortured and even more thousands imprisoned all due to that lie.Nixon lied so much and so often it would be impossible to list them all.Not only did Nixon lie and lie and lie and lie about Watergate, he also sabotaged the peace process in Vietnam and cost hundreds of thousands of lives!Reagan lied. He lied about Iran and not dealing with terrorists. He lied about the Contra's.(And I would have lied about them also!)Kennedy lied.Even Jimmy Carter lied.George Bush Sr. lied.George W Bush does not just exaggerate, or tell little "white lies" he tells big ones!What a person's position is on hate crimes is not a little thing. And having a TV commercial and telling ever one that they should be accountable and then refusing to tell the truth about his drug use is hypocritical.He did NOT tell the truth on his record as Governor of Texas.What President is most famous for not lying?Lincoln!(He was more Atheist than anything else and anyone who disagrees with that need to do some OPEN-minded and in depth research.)Since EVERYBODY LIES, (and even on very rare occasions, me) and since most people lie many times a day, it is very hypocritical for most people to rant and rave about others telling lies.S are YOU being a hypocrite???If things are going shitty for you and some ones says, "How's it going?" and you reply "Fine" you JUST LIED!What the most important thing about a lie is, what is the lie about?Does their lie stress a point or does it get innocent people killed?Is it a "little white lie" or a major one?Anyone with a truly FUNCTIONING brain knows that lies are NOT equal.There are things which matter a LOT and things which matter very, very little.Like who someone is "sexing' with is NO one else's business!Getting people killed is!And the more people killed, the bigger the effect of the lie!Ever hear the press or anyone bitch about Eisenhower's lies?Thus, it's logical that lies about mundane things is just a typical lie told by billions of people EVERY day!Thus, what Clinton lied about was NOT A BIGGIE!A dumb act? Yes!A big deal? HELL NO!People who make BIG deals out of LITTLE things?NOT LOGICAL!----
{For whatever it's worth, I believe this is a response to message 104 - Adminnemooseus}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 12-23-2003]