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Faith 
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Message 231 of 289 (748902)
01-30-2015 10:09 PM
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01-30-2015 9:28 PM


If I were a betting man, I'd wager that any concessions you've seem to have made here will be forgotten the next time you need to show that Catholics are evil and Protestants are angels.
You are misrepresenting me here. In some cases it is Catholics who are doing the acting, such as the IRA and the Irish Rebellion, but my interest isn't in Catholics as such, it's in the Roman Catholic papacy, which is behind a lot more of the violence in this world than I had any idea until the last few years. The Protestant Reformers recognized the papacy as the Antichrist as defined in the Bible, all of them did, it leapt out at them as soon as they got themselves free of the errors they were struggling with. I'm sorry to see that Protestantism has degenerated over the last century and forgotten the lesson of the Reformers. I don't think Protestants are angels, but you sijmply won't find them instigating violence against other religions just because of their beliefs as you will find Catholics doing at the urging of their priests. It's a difference of doctrine, and most Catholics, as I've been at pains to clarify, don't even know about the papal doctrines that I'm trying to learn about.

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Message 232 of 289 (748903)
01-30-2015 10:11 PM
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01-30-2015 10:04 PM


Thanks for the lies. That's what they are.
No this doesn't go back to 2006, more like two or three years ago, and I have read quite a bit but there's a lot to read, and beyond reading, there's a lot that needs to be organized.
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Message 234 of 289 (748905)
01-30-2015 10:27 PM
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01-30-2015 10:17 PM


I first heard of Chris Pinto late in 2011 or early 2012 and he was the one who got me into the history of Catholicism as an ongoing effort to overthrow the Protestant Reformation and recover their lost political power. I started my blog on the subject in 2012. If I wrote anything on the subject before that it would have been from a different angle because I didn't know any of this until Chris Pinto's documentary films.
You are right that I'm very slow at getting the work done I keep saying I want to do. It may be beyond me by now.
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Message 236 of 289 (748907)
01-30-2015 10:56 PM
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01-30-2015 10:44 PM


Not for you, just something I've wanted to do for some time and it's hard going.
Poor Chris, there is such a thing as a conspiracy and he's been turning up the evidence for it, not just theory, but actuality. This is what I'd like to be better able to get organized for my own purposes.

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Message 239 of 289 (748943)
01-31-2015 2:42 PM
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01-31-2015 9:59 AM


Sad. Pinto has answered most of that already but it's totally unfair in any case. The only thing I'd partly agree with is that he makes too much of the connection between Tischendorf and the Pope. Nevertheless the connection is there. The accusation that he was saying Kurschner had some kind of pro-homosexual position is false: all Pinto said was that Harvard is known for its liberalism and that is an example of it, not that homosexual liberalism as such had anything to do with Kurschner. This he answered clearly, in that excerpt given, but of course such accusations will come up against him because people don't like what he has to say about Rome.
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Message 241 of 289 (748980)
02-01-2015 2:19 AM
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02-01-2015 1:46 AM


One might possibly make the argument that Chris did not intend the pro-homosexual parts of his Harvard comments to stick to Kurschner, but that would be an extremely charitable reading of Pinto's words
I heard it the charitable way, NN, because Pinto didn't have any reason to think of Kurschner as homosexual and he knew that James White, with whom Kurschner was associated, denounced gay marriage and gay rights. I heard it as simply Chris' questioning an orthodox Christian's seeking an education at the very liberal Harvard School of Divinity which is known for its teaching that homosexuality doesn't violate Christianity.
Now it turns out that Kurschner has revealed himself to be gay, which explains the whole thing, but all Pinto was doing before that was known was questioning the wisdom of seeking an education in textual criticism at such a liberal institution, which would of course also include the teaching that homosexuality doesn't violate the Bible.
I heard that program when it first aired and didn't find anything out of order in Chris' comments. Objecting to an education at Harvard Divinity School should be expected of a conservative Christian like Pinto, and in my opinion rightly raise questions about the conservative Christianity of anyone who would seek it out.
As for the Catholic connection, it was Theodoric who raised this issue as if it discredits Pinto, because of my being inspired by Pinto's research, which I find very thorough and careful. My only problem with it is that most of it comes in the form of his films and radio shows so that leaves me with the job of taking notes and organizing the material for my own purposes, as well as checking out his sources.
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Message 243 of 289 (749207)
02-02-2015 11:35 PM
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02-01-2015 9:40 AM


My way of hearing it seems open and shut to me, any other way involving reading something into it that isn't there.

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Message 245 of 289 (749211)
02-03-2015 12:09 AM
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02-03-2015 12:04 AM


I still say what I said: If they reach any other conclusion than I did they are reading something into it that isn't there.

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Message 247 of 289 (749213)
02-03-2015 3:59 AM
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02-03-2015 3:10 AM


Couldn't be because I'm right, I suppose. No, that's too much to ask. Your opinion must be the right one. Of course. It's my lack of introspection that makes me blind to it. Got it. And we'll overlook the ad hominem too.
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Message 249 of 289 (749215)
02-03-2015 5:00 AM
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02-03-2015 4:45 AM


Well, if I'm right then they are wrong. Way it goes Larn.

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Faith 
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Message 253 of 289 (749268)
02-03-2015 1:57 PM
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02-03-2015 1:53 PM


But you're talking about Chris Pinto, NN, someone I've been following for two or three years now, so my opinion about what he means in a particular instance ought to count for something over that of people who have an axe to grind against his conservative Christianity and don't know him at all. To impute to him an accusation against Kurschner that he didn't even have the knowledge to make at the time is ridiculous. Yes I'm right and they are wrong.
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Message 256 of 289 (749297)
02-03-2015 3:46 PM
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02-03-2015 3:37 PM


And like always, without fail, my opponents NEVER EVER acknowledge that I'm right but insist they are right and yet I'm criticized and called arrogant for thinking I'm right. Go figure.

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Message 258 of 289 (749303)
02-03-2015 4:08 PM
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02-03-2015 3:49 PM


Don't remember where I got it. Maybe I'm wrong and he's not but it sure stuck in my head from somewhere.

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Message 261 of 289 (749311)
02-03-2015 4:26 PM
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02-03-2015 4:17 PM


The source will turn up, maybe you'll run across it yourself. There is no reason for me to make it up, I heard it somewhere.

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Faith 
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Message 263 of 289 (749324)
02-03-2015 5:39 PM
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02-03-2015 4:48 PM


Kurschner not homosexual
You're right you're right you're right, mea culpa. I went back to hear the excerpt of Pinto which is where I thought I might have gotten the idea and there Pinto is saying that Gomes, a professor at Harvard, not Kurschner, had come out as homosexual.
The Pintonian Inquisition: Scholarship or McCarthyism? | Christian Research Network
Under Excerpt #3, the part about Gomes starts about 1:30.
So the ONLY point Pinto was making about Kurschner was that he chose to learn textual criticism from such a liberal institution as Harvard Divinity School, so liberal that it even teaches that homosexuality can be justified from the Bible.

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