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Author Topic:   Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham
NosyNed
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Message 27 of 824 (718136)
02-04-2014 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Modulous
02-04-2014 3:47 PM


Disappointing
Ham was his usual self. Nye should have been prepared for that. He never touched the "you weren't there" PoV.
A poor job all round.

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Message 746 of 824 (749754)
02-08-2015 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 744 by Faith
02-08-2015 12:00 PM


Remedial Reading for me, please
Percy writes:
"Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'. "
I read the supposed quotes from the bible that Percy supplied and it seems to me that slavery is right if it is the right people that are enslaved -- that is, they deserve to be. Are they not in the bible? Are they out of context?
I can only read the English supplied so maybe you think the translations are wrong?
How does that not say that slavery is acceptable under the right circumstances?

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NosyNed
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Message 769 of 824 (749789)
02-08-2015 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
02-08-2015 12:18 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
And how does this explain this away? You seem to agree that it is a curse as much or more? than a prophecy. In any case, whoever is speaking here seems to think it is a darned good thing that these bad 'uns are going to be slaves. Does it or not say that some people should be slaves? That is why I need some help in reading the English; I read it as saying there are circumstances when a human should be enslaved you seem to be saying it doesn't say that so I am asking for help in reading the supplied English.
Then you yourself point out how the NT makes suggestions( commands? prophesies?) about how to treat slaves. I'd have to see the exact quotes but at first blush that seems to me to be condoning slavery? Does it? If it doesn't why have rules about how to treat them?

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Message 777 of 824 (749801)
02-08-2015 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 772 by Faith
02-08-2015 3:07 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
Trying to humanize a universal practice that is embedded in the economic life of a culture and is SO universal there is no way to ask people to give it up, is not to my mind the same thing as condoning it; it's simply doing the best you can with a necessary evil. And it's the OLD Testament, not the New, that offers the humanizing rules.
Thanks for the correction. It hints to me that some how the OT is less than the NT. I guess I am reading too much into it.
So this God inspired document, (what is the expression "God breathed", God dictated, ... I dunno) is unable to be lifted above the dirt and squalor of the time of writing? So it a necessary evil to the author of the bible?
To help a bit; who is the one speaking in the quotes that Percy gave?

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Message 797 of 824 (749844)
02-09-2015 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 796 by Faith
02-09-2015 1:00 PM


Sin No More! But only if it isn't inconvenient.
You are actually saying that if it is too inconvenient or economically difficult then we shouldn't decry slavery too much????
You God is one of relative morality? It was not great but okish when it was too difficult to do away with and since the advancement of science and the industrial revolution made slavery economically obsolete (in some of the world) it is no longer ok at all?
Of course, if someone today could demonstrate economic hardship then it would be okish again by your standards. I guess some pimps running slaves as whores would support you.

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