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Author Topic:   Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham
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Message 20 of 824 (716417)
01-16-2014 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
01-16-2014 9:42 AM


Re: Bill Nye
Are you aware of the Browser Noah used?

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Message 633 of 824 (749502)
02-05-2015 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 622 by Faith
02-05-2015 2:24 AM


Re: AIG needs Christian employees but why should the Ark Park?
He should hire Christians that can point out that it is all about a fable and not reality and all based on fantasy. That the Biblical Floods never happened.

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Message 663 of 824 (749574)
02-05-2015 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Faith
02-05-2015 8:11 PM


Faith writes:
But Christianity does not teach isolating ourselves from unbelievers in general, so there has to be a good reason for Ham to want only Christians working for the theme park.
Of course he does not want to hire just Christians but only Christians willing to pretend the Ark theme park is anything more than a joke.
His reason is typical of all the avoidance issues, the brand of Christianity he markets cannot stand up to rational or honest examination.

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jar
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Message 691 of 824 (749652)
02-06-2015 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Faith
02-06-2015 6:54 PM


Too funny
Faith writes:
Some "religious" organizations are functionally atheist, but anyway that's how this one was presented at Family Research Council. It's an anti-Religious Right organization. Maybe that's the better designation in this case.
You think so? You think it is that and not just the fact that they were the group that stopped Dobson from getting money from Iowa and has opposed many of Dobson's attempts to try to insert Christianity (as he imagines it) into our government; that they and others like them are the front line protecting us from the Christian Cult of Ignorance?

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Message 700 of 824 (749687)
02-07-2015 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by Faith
02-07-2015 11:06 AM


he is still just marketing fantasy and nonsense
Ham is still just selling lies, nonsense and fantasy, no different than Knott's Berry Farm or The Wizarding World of Harry Potter but without the social significance.

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Message 704 of 824 (749694)
02-07-2015 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 702 by Percy
02-07-2015 4:06 PM


one for the money two for even more
Thar's gold in them thar Biblical Christian pockets but even more money in everyone's pockets. If you can't pick everyone's pockets then just pick a few but do it well.

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Message 714 of 824 (749712)
02-07-2015 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by Faith
02-07-2015 8:34 PM


try truth Faith
Faith writes:
America has become hostile to Christians and it's time to let it all go.
That is simply not true Faith. There is no evidence of any hostility towards Christians in the US and you have never shown any evidence of any such hostility.

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Message 718 of 824 (749716)
02-07-2015 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by Faith
02-07-2015 9:03 PM


The fact is ...
The fact is Faith, that there is no hostility towards Christians at all in the US. Fortunately we are protected against some Chapters of Club Christian trying to impose their rules on the rest of us or legislating ignorance into the public school curriculum. Thank God.

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Message 780 of 824 (749805)
02-08-2015 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by NosyNed
02-08-2015 4:37 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
To help a bit; who is the one speaking in the quotes that Percy gave?
All too often in the New Testament it is Paul & Peter or as more often heard, Peter & Paul.
Ephesians 6 writes:
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Colossians 3 writes:
Instructions for Christian Households
18Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.
20Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
21Fathers,c do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.
22Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.
1 Peter writes:
Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society
11Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
13Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.
18Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
It is often interesting to look at the context of the quotes as well as just the mined part.

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jar
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Message 783 of 824 (749814)
02-08-2015 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by nwr
02-08-2015 9:07 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
nwr writes:
Faith writes:
God wisely takes people where they are. They wouldn't listen to Him if He told them to give up their slaves.
Is that similar to the way that you would not listen to him if he told you that he used evolution to create and maintain the biosphere?
IIRC some of the Gods described in the Old Testament had ways of persuasion that went beyond just taking people where they are. Seems there were stories of the God character bringing down fire and brimstone, plagues, killing the first born children, confusing all their languages, turning folk into pillars of salt, sending bears to rend them, even flooding them all out simply for disobeying that God's wishes. When they didn't listen to her she was more than capable of effective dope slaps at least in the stories.

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Message 788 of 824 (749831)
02-09-2015 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 787 by subbie
02-09-2015 11:50 AM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
Getting your wanger wanged as part of the initiation is just a piece of cake too I imagine.

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Message 793 of 824 (749838)
02-09-2015 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by Faith
02-09-2015 12:34 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
Faith writes:
No, none of it was a piece of cake, but if even the moral law is impossible to follow, why would God impose the physical hardship of the loss of a slave's work on them as well? In a way it would also be a hardship for the slaves themselves since many of the slaves in ancient Israel had become slaves to pay off a debt they couldn't otherwise pay, so what then? Debtor's prison? Which didn't exist in those days.
So the God you try to market was either unwilling or incapable of saying "Thou shalt free the slaves and pay them for the work they do!"
Got it.

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Message 794 of 824 (749839)
02-09-2015 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 792 by Faith
02-09-2015 12:38 PM


Re: Remedial Reading for me, please
Faith writes:
But that time came, somewhere around 33 AD when God sacrificed Jesus on the cross to pay our debt for all those commands we couldn't keep.
So after Jesus it was okay to keep slaves and know you would get forgiven for the evil you do.
Your God is a real asshole isn't she?
Got it.

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Message 811 of 824 (749885)
02-09-2015 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 810 by Faith
02-09-2015 10:36 PM


The Bible says God does wrench a whole society into ruins even when there is no reaso
Faith writes:
"Bound?" No, I said He's prudent and reasonable, He isn't going to do something to wrench a whole society into ruins even for the best of reasons, besides which as I started out saying, the people would not obey such a law, it would hit them as too absurd and it would wreck their relationship with God completely, which didn't go too well down the centuries anyway.
Have you ever read the Bible Faith. When Pharaoh agreed to let the Israelites go didn't God harden Pharaoh's heart and make him change his mind?
Faith writes:
And again, all ye who think you are above God, remember again that NO SOCIETY ANYWHERE EVER abolished slavery until it was abolished on the basis of the Bible. If it hadn't been for the Bible you'd all be happily living with slavery and justifying it.
Do you know anything about history Faith? Do you have any evidence of slavery ever being abolished on the basis of the Bible?

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Message 813 of 824 (749887)
02-09-2015 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 812 by Faith
02-09-2015 10:44 PM


Re: The Bible says God does wrench a whole society into ruins even when there is no reaso
Do you know anything about history Faith? Do you have any evidence of slavery ever being abolished on the basis of the Bible?

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