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NoNukes
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Message 259 of 289 (749305)
02-03-2015 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
02-03-2015 3:46 PM


yet I'm criticized and called arrogant for thinking I'm right
That's not what you are being criticized for. So yes, you are wrong again.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 260 of 289 (749309)
02-03-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Faith
02-03-2015 4:08 PM


Don't remember where I got it. Maybe I'm wrong and he's not but it sure stuck in my head from somewhere.
Exhibit A.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 262 of 289 (749317)
02-03-2015 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Faith
02-03-2015 4:26 PM


The source will turn up, maybe you'll run across it yourself. There is no reason for me to make it up, I heard it somewhere.
I spent a considerable effort looking. I did find people accusing Alan of making harsh statements about gays and sodomy. At this point, I'm not spending any more effort trying to back up your recollection.
I heard it somewhere
And having heard it somewhere, you repeat it here as the truth, because, your having heard is "somewhere" is our assurance that it must be true. And of course the same can be said for Chris' anti-Catholic theories which you have judged to be accurate before doing your research.
Nobody should ever accuse you of listening or reading critically.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 267 of 289 (749379)
02-04-2015 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Larni
02-03-2015 6:20 PM


I wrote that post before you corrected yourself. But I take on board your correction.
I don't think her correction invalidates what you wrote. Faith was predisposed not only to hear what she wanted to hear despite it not being said, but she was also predisposed to believe what she wanted to believe. Even had Pinto made the accusation, it should still be backed up. So much for Faith's claimed Pinto expertise.
Pinto's comments are simply full of venom and McCarthyism. The correct way to show that Alan holds liberal views is to cite some of them. I'll note that Pinto at least had the decency to back away from his comments, although his 'apology' was of the 'I'm sorry if you felt offended" type.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 269 of 289 (749393)
02-04-2015 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
02-04-2015 5:09 AM


In your own words...
Why would I *want* to hear or believe that Kurschner was gay? It makes absolutely no difference to the point Pinto was making
Wait, I note a convenient omission from the last time you identified Pinto's point -- convenient, in that it does not include the motive I read in your previous post. So let's go back to that post and review it for hints at your motive.
From Exhibit B or Message 263.
So the ONLY point Pinto was making about Kurschner was that he chose to learn textual criticism from such a liberal institution as Harvard Divinity School
Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. The point of citing Harvard's liberalness was to tar Kurshner with it. Alan and others rightly objected to that, and rightly so, because none of the tar reflects Kurshner's views in any way.
Let's see what else you said on the matter...
Now it turns out that Kurschner has revealed himself to be gay, which explains the whole thing,
Actually it turns out that nothing (other than your BS mindset) was explained. Kurschner has revealed no such thing. There is no reason to believe that Alan is gay.
You accepted that Kurshner is gay because it fits with your supposed reading of Pinto's point. A point which according to some of your own posts seems pretty close to my own reading.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 274 of 289 (749556)
02-05-2015 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Faith
02-05-2015 1:13 PM


I don't recall defending it because it makes absolutely no difference to my opinion. If I did defend it that came after people were accusing me of lying or something but I don't remember
No need to rely on your memory. Our entire discussion is archived right here. Nobody accused you of lying.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 276 of 289 (749560)
02-05-2015 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Faith
02-05-2015 4:59 PM


You did accuse me of lying about it not mattering whether Kurschner is gay or not
I said you were wrong when you said it did not matter, and that you were inclined to believe that Kurschner is gay.
When I get to the point of believing you are lying, I won't mince words. But in this case I did point out using only your own words and only after you admitted that Alan had not said he was gay, that the belief that Alan was gay was consistent with your mindset about Pinto.
Given the timing, my opinion could not be the accusation of lying that got you all defensive. Rather than assume you were lying about this last point, I'm assuming you are just mistaken.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 278 of 289 (749563)
02-05-2015 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
02-05-2015 5:17 PM


Mistaken about my own inclination? Thanks a lot. This is all nothing but Ad Hominem, you have no right to be saying such things.
I have all the right I need. But perhaps you can get Percy to say otherwise. Feel free to post an official complaint.
Be sure to tell Percy that about how the supposed cause came after the effect.
Edited by NoNukes, : C vs A

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 280 of 289 (749624)
02-06-2015 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
02-05-2015 5:26 PM


Wah, wah..... wah.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 284 of 289 (749684)
02-07-2015 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
02-06-2015 5:21 PM


I don't tell you that you are thinking something you claim not to be thinking.
Obviously I cannot tell you what you are thinking. Statements that you 'want' to believe something are really euphemisms about your predilection to accept the point Pinto is making as valid. And you yourself said that Alan acknowledging that he was homosexual explained the whole thing.
So yeah, you have a mindset that accepts Pinto's rant as revealing something about Kurschner's opinions on homosexuality when it clearly does not. You accept Pinto's 'proof' that Alan is liberal when his rant is the purest of McCarthyism, and you thought you heard something that was not even said, that explains 'everything.'
Nobody but you is going to mishear what you did not hear and then claim I could find if I searched. And quite frankly, even if Pinto did say it, I would check elsewhere before I believed it. Not you though. Because you're our self proclaimed an expert on Chris Pinto.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 287 of 289 (749929)
02-10-2015 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
02-07-2015 5:33 PM


here was one and only one reason for mentioning homosexuality and that was that the liberalism of Harvard Divinity School can be demonstrated by the fact that they teach that homosexuality does not violate the Bible.
The point of the rant was to tie all of that stuff to Kurschner. You bought into that.
You still have yet to rationalize your comment that Alan's admitted homosexuality explains everything.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 289 of 289 (749964)
02-10-2015 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Faith
02-10-2015 12:52 PM


I haven't? Isn't it obvious that if he was homosexual, which he's not, that that would explain rather directly why he's interested in a liberal school that teaches that homosexuality is justified in the Bible?
Perhaps there is more going on at Harvard than what some who likely did not even teach Alan thinks? Pinto never actually demonstrated that Alan had liberal views on anything. He just jumped on this crap wagon.
it was hardly a "rant."
That's essentially all it was.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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