Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,807 Year: 3,064/9,624 Month: 909/1,588 Week: 92/223 Day: 3/17 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 76 of 1310 (751357)
03-02-2015 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by New Cat's Eye
03-02-2015 12:18 PM


The spirit orb is a chariot of God with a spirit in it. Ezekiel's wheels is a description of a far greater version of the chariots of God.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 75 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 12:18 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 77 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 12:35 PM ScottRP has replied

  
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member


Message 77 of 1310 (751358)
03-02-2015 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ScottRP
03-02-2015 12:28 PM


The spirit orb is a chariot of God with a spirit in it.
What makes you think that?
What makes you think that the thing in the picture is actually a spirit orb?
Why can the effect of spirit orbs be recreated with dust in the air?
Why haven't any spirit orbs that are large enough to be Ezekiel's wheels ever been observed in a picture?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 76 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 12:28 PM ScottRP has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 78 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 12:53 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

  
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 78 of 1310 (751365)
03-02-2015 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by New Cat's Eye
03-02-2015 12:35 PM


Ezekiel describes in scripture what the early mystics called a chariot of God.
Palm 68:17. The chariots of God are twenty thousands, Even thousands of thousands.
I've seen many chariots of God with my naked eyes. Some the size of two story buildings.
I believe that the wheels in Ezekiel's vision would have been less than thousands of thousands and greater because they were near Father God and the Seraphim.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 77 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 12:35 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 79 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 1:05 PM ScottRP has not replied

  
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member


Message 79 of 1310 (751367)
03-02-2015 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ScottRP
03-02-2015 12:53 PM


Is English your first language? You're not doing a very good job of answering straight-forward questions. Is that due to a language barrier?
Ezekiel describes in scripture what the early mystics called a chariot of God.
Palm 68:17. The chariots of God are twenty thousands, Even thousands of thousands.
What does that have to do with this? This reply doesn't make sense.
What makes you think this orb has anything to do with a chariot of God?
Simply quoting Bible verses that mention the chariots of God doesn't even come close to answering that question.
Does the Bible ever mention the chariots of God appearing as one single chariot alone like the picture of your orb is?
Why should I think that the orb in your picture has anything to do with a chariot of God?
I've seen many chariots of God with my naked eyes. Some the size of two story buildings.
Why don't you have any pictures?
If you can't capture them in pictures, then you should probably question your sanity.
The wheels in Ezekiel's vision would be less than thousands of thousands because they were near Father God and the Seraphim.
Why should I believe that? You just made that up, didn't you?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 78 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 12:53 PM ScottRP has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 80 by NoNukes, posted 03-02-2015 3:06 PM New Cat's Eye has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 80 of 1310 (751372)
03-02-2015 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by New Cat's Eye
03-02-2015 1:05 PM


If you can't capture them in pictures, then you should probably question your sanity.
Apparently these artifacts are quite easily to 'capture' in photographs using cheap digital cameras. The sanity check (or perhaps just urinalysis) seems more appropriate for people who are seeing house-sized orbs with the naked eye.
Beyond that, I'd suggest that searching for 'orb' and 'Ezekiel' together will turn up stuff more rapidly than you can tooth pull out of Scott, who seems particularly reticent about sharing these wonders.
ABE:
When I added Scott to the search terms, this link turned up
http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=27714
Scott writes:
My findings are important because it demonstrates God's presence in the world. This is some of my life's work.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

This message is a reply to:
 Message 79 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 1:05 PM New Cat's Eye has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 82 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 3:59 PM NoNukes has not replied
 Message 83 by subbie, posted 03-02-2015 4:05 PM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

  
frako
Member (Idle past 305 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 81 of 1310 (751373)
03-02-2015 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ScottRP
03-02-2015 11:47 AM


Photographs of dust. Look take your kitchen roller beat on an old pillow then take a flash picture. there will be thousands of chariots around you. Or as i call them dust.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 11:47 AM ScottRP has not replied

  
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 82 of 1310 (751376)
03-02-2015 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by NoNukes
03-02-2015 3:06 PM


So you have tapped into some of my earlier work. Good for you.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 80 by NoNukes, posted 03-02-2015 3:06 PM NoNukes has not replied

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 1254 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 83 of 1310 (751378)
03-02-2015 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by NoNukes
03-02-2015 3:06 PM


Seems like the good folks at the science chat forum figured out the best response to this fellow quite a bit more quickly than we did.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

This message is a reply to:
 Message 80 by NoNukes, posted 03-02-2015 3:06 PM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

  
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 84 of 1310 (751380)
03-02-2015 4:27 PM


Here is a photograph taken in the 1920's/1930's. It was taken without a digital camera, on film, in broad daylight without a flash.

Replies to this message:
 Message 86 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 4:49 PM ScottRP has replied

  
AZPaul3
Member
Posts: 8513
From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 5.3


Message 85 of 1310 (751381)
03-02-2015 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by ThinAirDesigns
03-02-2015 5:44 AM


Well done sire.
Thank you.
Unfortunately it did not have either of the desired affects. But it was fun.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 47 by ThinAirDesigns, posted 03-02-2015 5:44 AM ThinAirDesigns has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 87 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 4:50 PM AZPaul3 has replied
 Message 89 by ThinAirDesigns, posted 03-02-2015 6:17 PM AZPaul3 has replied

  
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member


Message 86 of 1310 (751382)
03-02-2015 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by ScottRP
03-02-2015 4:27 PM


Here is a photograph taken in the 1920's/1930's. It was taken without a digital camera, on film, in broad daylight without a flash.
It doesn't require digital cameras or flashes, they just make it happen more easily.
What you need is light from behind the lens backscattering back into the lens off of something that is in the field of view, but out of the focus of the camera.
It happens underwater all the time, there's a lot more stuff floating around in the water than there is in the air. Since it happens more often in water, are you prepared to accept that what you believe are spirits are more prone to occurring underwater than they are on land? How many spirits can you count in this photo?
And the phenomenon is completely understood:
When it happens above water, it is from dust. If the room is really dusty, then you get a lot of them, as I showed in Message 3:
This phenomenon has nothing to do with spirits or chariots of God or Ezekiel or anything like that. It is just an artifact of photography.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 84 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 4:27 PM ScottRP has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 88 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 5:46 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

  
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 87 of 1310 (751384)
03-02-2015 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by AZPaul3
03-02-2015 4:44 PM


I could be Poe in reverse. lol
Edited by ScottRP, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 85 by AZPaul3, posted 03-02-2015 4:44 PM AZPaul3 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 93 by AZPaul3, posted 03-02-2015 8:14 PM ScottRP has not replied

  
ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 88 of 1310 (751396)
03-02-2015 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by New Cat's Eye
03-02-2015 4:49 PM


Clearly. you are not well-versed in spirit photography.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 86 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 4:49 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 91 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-02-2015 6:53 PM ScottRP has not replied

  
ThinAirDesigns
Member (Idle past 2373 days)
Posts: 564
Joined: 02-12-2015


Message 89 of 1310 (751398)
03-02-2015 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by AZPaul3
03-02-2015 4:44 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
Unfortunately it did not have either of the desired affects. But it was fun.
Well, the exchange was a perfect demonstration of gullibility so there's that.
As a funny aside, literally a couple hours after you wrote that, your post was #3 return for a Google search on that name (still is). That's pretty hard to get done without a VERY original term. I laughed my ass off when I saw that.
JB

This message is a reply to:
 Message 85 by AZPaul3, posted 03-02-2015 4:44 PM AZPaul3 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 96 by AZPaul3, posted 03-03-2015 6:41 AM ThinAirDesigns has not replied

  
frako
Member (Idle past 305 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


(2)
Message 90 of 1310 (751400)
03-02-2015 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by ScottRP
03-02-2015 11:45 AM


I see the members of this forum as having limited or no experience with the spirit world. And as such, are not qualified to assess the photograph. The answers to the nature of it can be found in scripture where spiritual things are described.
Yea well soon when scientist's discover the theory of everything, reality all around us will dissolve and big bold red letters will appear spelling Level 2.
My "hypothesis" is just as valid as yours given the evidence you presented.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 68 by ScottRP, posted 03-02-2015 11:45 AM ScottRP has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024