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Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
NoNukes
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Message 121 of 1310 (751505)
03-03-2015 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
03-03-2015 1:03 PM


Look at his link in Message 64, his claim for the superiority of his view because of his personal experiences in Message 66 and Message 68, and his mention of seeing "chariots" in Message 78.
I thought we'd agreed that the chariots or orbs were not demonic. So under what criteria do you judge his other experiences to be demonic?

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 122 of 1310 (751509)
03-03-2015 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by ScottRP
03-03-2015 1:18 PM


What you are looking at is a photograph of the Spirit of God
Um, you just made that up.
And of course you will provide no evidence or even argumentation for why I should believe you.
What is your purpose here, then?
and He sometimes appears as a Halo above people's head.
And there's no heads in your photo - so it cannot be a Halo.

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Faith 
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Message 123 of 1310 (751510)
03-03-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 2:12 PM


Just that they are unbiblical or deceptions.

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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 124 of 1310 (751511)
03-03-2015 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by frako
03-03-2015 1:04 PM


frako writes:
A fundie against a fundie this should be entertaining.
Yes, all proof by absolute assertion all the time.
JB

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ScottRP
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Message 125 of 1310 (751514)
03-03-2015 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
03-03-2015 1:28 PM


You misinterpret that scripture. As you have my experiences and the work I have done here.

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NoNukes
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Message 126 of 1310 (751518)
03-03-2015 2:51 PM
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03-03-2015 1:28 PM


No idea what you are trying to say here. The scripture reference I gave says He appeared IN THE BODILY SHAPE OF a dove, which is not the shape of a halo.
I agree with you that there is no halo mentioned at all. But it is not clear to me whether dove applies to the bodily shape. Like a dove might mean that the flight was dove-like.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 127 of 1310 (751519)
03-03-2015 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
03-03-2015 2:20 PM


Just that they are unbiblical or deceptions.
I suppose I'm looking for a bit of detail. Could you point to one example and tell me that it is not Biblical?
I'm not looking for a fight here. Just trying to follow your point.
For example, his writing linked to in message 64 looks pretty much like testimony I've seen elsewhere. His other posts lack any particular detail at all. I'm looking to see what you consider demonic.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Faith 
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Message 128 of 1310 (751520)
03-03-2015 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 2:51 PM


The quote from Luke I gave specifically says BODILY SHAPE of a dove.

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Faith 
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Message 129 of 1310 (751521)
03-03-2015 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 2:54 PM


From the link in Message 64 the idea that he actually saw Jesus standing on the wing of an airplane. It took me a long time to get free of a lot of similar stuff people claim about seeing Jesus. It's all deceptions. Can't prove it I guess.

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NoNukes
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Message 130 of 1310 (751522)
03-03-2015 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
03-03-2015 2:58 PM


Okay. I think I understand what you meant.
Are you saying this about claimed sightings of Jesus generally?
It's all deceptions.
It would seem so...
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Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 131 of 1310 (751524)
03-03-2015 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
03-03-2015 2:55 PM


"The quote from Luke I gave specifically says BODILY SHAPE of a dove."
I find some ambiguity in the words, but after reviewing a number of translations, I find that most of them seem to agree with you.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Faith 
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Message 132 of 1310 (751525)
03-03-2015 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 3:04 PM


Are you saying this about claimed sightings of Jesus generally?
Yes. I only really have a doubt about one account, by Bilquiis Sheik, who wrote a book ("I Dared To Call Him Father") about her conversion to Christ almost entirely through visions. She's very convincing. I end up ambivalent about her story, unsure what to believe about it.
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NoNukes
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Message 133 of 1310 (751526)
03-03-2015 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by ScottRP
03-03-2015 1:13 PM


The Spirit of God alighting and remaining upon Jesus does suggest that He most likely appeared as a Halo. Where else would the Spirit of God be alighting and remaining upon Jesus's body?
How about as a manifestation surrounding Jesus's entire body and not just his head?

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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ScottRP
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Message 134 of 1310 (751527)
03-03-2015 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
03-03-2015 2:55 PM


It says descending in bodily shape as a dove.

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ScottRP
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Message 135 of 1310 (751530)
03-03-2015 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 3:11 PM


The wording is, "upon Him". Not surrounding or around Him.

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