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Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
NoNukes
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Message 136 of 1310 (751533)
03-03-2015 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by ScottRP
03-03-2015 3:20 PM


The wording is, "upon Him". Not surrounding or around Him.
Upon is not specific enough to produce the result you want. My shoes are upon my feet, and my close are upon my body. "Atop" or "Upon His head" might be more convincing.
And in either event, no circular shape is even suggested. The verse says "bodily form"
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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ScottRP
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Message 137 of 1310 (751535)
03-03-2015 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 3:39 PM


He was in the shape of His own bodily form and descended as a dove would the correct interpretation of the verse. The Holy Spirit is neither human nor a dove.
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NoNukes
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Message 138 of 1310 (751537)
03-03-2015 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by ScottRP
03-03-2015 4:00 PM


The Holy Spirit is neither human nor a dove.
Accepting your reasoning, one could also argue that a disk is not God's own bodily form. According to you a disk is a spirit form. I know this because a circle is not Adam's bodily form. It seems that you want to read the verse sloppily when it serves your purpose, and more tightly when that serves your purpose.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 139 of 1310 (751541)
03-03-2015 4:27 PM
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03-03-2015 4:00 PM


How old are you?
Like, 80 years or something?

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ScottRP
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Message 140 of 1310 (751555)
03-03-2015 7:40 PM
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03-03-2015 4:09 PM


Here twice in scripture, it shows the Spirit descending like/as a dove.
Mathew 3:16. When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
John 1:32. John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him."
The dove is symbolic of the Holy Spirit because He descends like a dove, not because He "looks" like a dove.

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ScottRP
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Message 141 of 1310 (751556)
03-03-2015 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by New Cat's Eye
03-03-2015 4:27 PM


I like your Avatar. I love kitty cats. I have three of them myself.

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ScottRP
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Message 142 of 1310 (751557)
03-03-2015 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Theodoric
02-28-2015 2:25 PM


I do not have the original non-cropped image.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 143 of 1310 (751559)
03-03-2015 8:42 PM
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03-03-2015 7:43 PM


So that's it, then? You just completely give up?

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NoNukes
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Message 144 of 1310 (751560)
03-03-2015 8:52 PM
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03-03-2015 7:52 PM


I do not have the original non-cropped image.
Haven't we already seen the video from which the image was extracted? I don't think you need to worry about this question anymore.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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ScottRP
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Message 145 of 1310 (751563)
03-03-2015 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by NoNukes
03-03-2015 8:52 PM


I agree, I was in error posting that.

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ScottRP
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Message 146 of 1310 (751564)
03-03-2015 10:03 PM
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03-03-2015 8:42 PM


I'm still here, aren't I?

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NoNukes
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Message 147 of 1310 (751567)
03-03-2015 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by ScottRP
03-03-2015 10:01 PM


I was in error posting that.
Right. And one might also ask how you concluded that the photographer was 'spiritually discerning' without knowing anything about him. That's not a reasonable way to evaluate evidence.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Meddle
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Message 148 of 1310 (751571)
03-04-2015 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by New Cat's Eye
03-03-2015 1:10 PM


I know it's not, but that first image reminds me of Cryptococcus neoformans in an india ink stain, the halo's being formed by the capsule round the yeast cells. Infection, which can include meningitis, can also be acquired from pigeon/dove droppings which fits with Faith's references about the holy spirit descending as a dove.
As for the second picture, the 'halo' is obviously a tapeworm egg. The pork tapeworm Taenia solium can encyst in other regions of the human body, including the brain where it can cause neurological problems, not unlike demon possession.
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Tangle
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Message 149 of 1310 (751575)
03-04-2015 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Meddle
03-04-2015 4:55 AM


Don't be ridiculous, it's obviously a fertilised human ovum, signifying the virgin birth.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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AZPaul3
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Message 150 of 1310 (751581)
03-04-2015 8:39 AM
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03-04-2015 4:55 AM


In His Image
As for the second picture, the 'halo' is obviously a tapeworm egg.
So, you're saying god is a tapeworm? Fascinating.
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