Roy Moore, Alabama Chief Idiot back in the news yet again.

Society is doing just fine, except for the religious right who are out of touch with reality.

Oh, the irony. The bible thumping bigots like Faith do everything right and they still end up in Hell because they didn't stop the rest of us from having fun. Now that adds some zest to life.....we can pay those assholes back for being such shits!

Ok, I'm not gonna push the point - but if you are going to maintain that you have nothing personal against homosexual people, then you should be aware that many people will see "sodomites" as a somewhat pejorative term. There's no doubt that the sexual organs have evolved (you'd say they've been designed, but we'll agree to differ on that, for fear of going off topic), to fit into each other, and enable reproduction. Where we differ is that you think that is sufficient to support your prejudice - whereas I say "Yes - but so what ?"You see, to go from evolutionary fit, to moral judgment, you need a connecting logical argument. I believe you don't have one. Hence you sticking with "but it's not what they were designed for." That's not an argument - it's a restatement of a fact, which is irrelevant to marriage (unless you can provide a logical connection between the two). No. Abstract concepts cannot be hurt. They can be changed, however, so that they stop hurting people by discriminating against them. There were a few Victorian historians who ran that line - they were to some extent a product of the prejudices of their time. But I would be utterly fascinated to see you provide a reasoned argument, as to why an acceptance of homosexual relationships led to the downfall of Greece or Rome. (Not just a coincidence of the two states of affairs - a reasoned argument as to cause and effect).Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

What I find so curious is the idea that God cares so much about the geography of gay marriage. It didn't seem to ruffle Faith's feathers that gay marriage has been happening for 20 years or so in other countries. In fact, legalization of gay marriage in a state where Faith does not live doesn't seem to be much of a problem. But when it happens to occur within the imaginary lines that contains Faith on a map, then God is out for blood. Gay couples in Birmingham, England? No prob. Gay couples in Birmingham, Alabama? THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

Mind rape is the social consequence that probably bothers me most, as in the substitution of a fantasy about marriage and sex and family, in place of reality. Big fat pretense. Charade. Emperor's new clothes, officially enforced. Or RAZD's favorite concept which he always misuses: Cognitive Dissonance, enforced by authority. One bit of that being using words in a twisted way: "wife" can now be a man, or it can be a woman "married to" another woman, as "husband" can now be a woman, or a man married to a man. I worry about what such nonsense does to children's minds, and to public consciousness in general. Recipe for confusion, cynicism, and REAL cognitive dissonance that unstrings the mental processes. Apparently you don't worry about any of this. You're all caught up in this bogus idea of fairness and equality.I think the physiological "fit" is sufficient to define who's fit for marriage and who isn't but apparently you don't and that just makes continued discussion along those lines futile.And I used "sodomites" in the specific context of answering the tiresome sophistry about sodomy among heterosexuals, to TRY to make it clear I was talking about a physiological reality rather than a subjective preference. But no slight ambiguity or attempt to clarify an ambiguity will go unpunished here. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not just America: people have equal rights to marriage in the UK as well. My mum (who is a gay) will most likely be getting married, soon.I do like weddings.

And the UK and Europe are way ahead of us too. If "ahead" is the right word.

So, in other words, no evidence, just paranoid fantasy.

In other words reality escapes all of you.

Maybe you'll be able to give the bride away!

Always good for a chuckle, I gotta give you that.Here's one just for you, sweetie.

Just more Fox Fundamentalism. It just sucks for you to be in our world doesn't it?

No idea what Fox Fundamentalism is, don't watch Fox. My ideas are my own. I'm not worried about me in this world, I'll be fine, it's others who need to worry.Well, I DO worry about my grandsons. But at least they have me to pray for them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well, that's true. Maybe they'll be okay anyway.Edited by subbie, : Quotefail