Earth science curriculum tailored to fit wavering fundamentalists

We know that you keep asserting that Faith but what is the process where your flood only deposits dinosaurs and remains like the White Cliffs of Dover but then stops and only deposits an iridium layer and then stops again and deposits birds and mammals but no more dinosaurs?A link to where you provide the model and method for your flood to do that would really help.Once we get that information we can move on to see how you explain all the other evidence that has been gathered over the last 200 years or so.

There are several places in the US where the K/T boundary layer is exposed but none in the Grand Canyon that I am aware of. The closest to me is up in Big Bend, Tx but there are also spots along the Brazos River here in Texas. Other places I'm aware of are the Hell Canyon formation and in the Raton Basin.

What is so sad is that YECs and Biblical Christians behave exactly the same when it comes to the Bible, dishonestly quote mine in a blatantly dishonest manner. See Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?.

And that is why Creation science can never be more than lies and conjobs Faith.Yes, you can think up ideas but Creationists never take the next step to see if those ideas are likely or even possible.There is over 200 years of such basic tests, tens of thousands of tests, that show the Creation science ideas about what happened in the flood are simply lies.A great example is the Green River varves. Folks have studied the actual composition of the materials in each layer, the size and density of the particles, and they have tested to see how such materials settle out in different conditions of water speeds. Every test shows that the smaller, finer particles only settle during periods where there is little water movement, still waters. The larger particles settle out when the water is moving faster.There are over six million such alternating light and dark layers in the Green River varves. If you claim that the flood produced that formation then there had to be over five cycles every single day for the last 4300 years.Every day,Not just during the flood but continuing right up until today.Now if you want to continue asserting that the flood did it you need to show how it is possible to build each alternating layer over 16,000 times a day during every day of the flood.You need to demonstrate how the flood can create that cycle, the alternating layers that are there and then go away without destroying them.And that is simply one really small example Faith.You need to explain how the flood could wear down a mountain.It's all well and good to claim "Well the flood was different than today" but there is absolutely no evidence or reason that would be true. Rain is Rain. Rain can only fall so fast. The stories say it rained no more than 40 days and 40 nights so we can look at places where water falls on rock and see just what does happen.Here is a great example of falling water not just for 40 days and 40 nights but thousands of day/night cycles. Doesn't look at all like the varves and certainly did not wear down mountains.You need to take that next step Faith. Imagining how it could happen is just that, fantasy. Test to see if your imagining is even possible.

I knew I could count on you to show that Creationism and YEC is just stupid. Thanks.We see places that get 40 days and 40 nights of rain every year yet rocks and mountains are still there.If the flood did not cause the varves then something else did and no one has ever been able to explain a method to create the Green River Varves even in 6000 or 10,000 years.Young Earth, like the Biblical floods, is simply DeadOnArrival.

LOL.And so you try yet again to avoid reality and palm the pea.What is the YEC model and explanation for worn down mountains, 1000 foot thick salt beds, the Green River varves, the White Cliffs of Dover ...Trying to misdirect the audiences attention or do a Gish Gallop has never worked here Faith anymore than you denying two and seven are different numbers.

Faith, please understand that all it takes is one example that cannot be explained by YECs or Creationists but that can be explained by Old Earth and science to totally disprove YEC and the Biblical Floods.The fact is though that no one, no Creationist, no person claiming to be a "Creation Scientist" has ever been able to explain what is seen in the world today.YEC, the Biblical floods and Creationism are DeadOnArrival.It really is that simple.

That is the problem Faith, you rely on fantasy, what you can imagine.Test those fantasies Faith. Test them again and again and again to see if they reflect reality or are just fantasies.

Reality shows that the Appalachians were originally even higher than the Alps.

Guess what Faith, there is.Study geology and history. In fact they were so high they dominated the climate of all the land on the Earth about 480 million years ago.Of course North America didn't exist back then.

Too funny Faith. You don't need just one lifetime of study but many, many such lifetimes, Young Earth and the Biblical Floods have been totally refuted for hundreds of nyears.The evidence is sand.The evidence is salt beds.The evidence is the White Cliffs of Dover.The evidence are varves.The evidence is everywhere and only liars, conmen, the delusional and willfully ignorant do not understand that the Earth is billions of years old and that none of the Biblical Floods ever happened.You need to try to find explanations for what is seen and so far you have NEVER provided a method or model that can explain what is real.

LOLYes I do.We have the composition which is NOT soft but rather granite.We have markers left where glaciers wore away at them really recently, just 20,000 years ago or so.We have sands from the Appalachians found many hundreds of miles away.We have the angles of the stumps that are left.We have the evidence of the climate across Pangaea over 400 million years ago.We have the fact that parts (exactly the same materials and composition) were created in the same event that produced the Little Atlas mountains (now in Africa) and also parts of the Scottish highlands.We have the evidence that they were not created in just one single event but rather a series of clollisions that pushed ocean floors up into mountains.But the Appalachians are just one of the thousands and thousands, millions even, examples that prove the Earth is NOT 6000 years old and that None of the Biblical Floods actually happened.

LOLDo you know what evidence is?Do the White Cliffs of Dover exist? Is there a Creationist or YEC method or model to explain their existence?Do the Green River varves exist? Is there a Creationist or YEC method or model to explain their existence?Since the composition of the Scottish Highlands, Appalachians and Little Atlas mountains is the same is there a Creationist or YEC method or model to explain those facts?If we find sands formed by weathering of the Appalachians is there a Creationist or YEC method or model to explain their existence?

Well, actually Faith it is NOT a matter of interpretation.We can determine whether or not two rock samples (or teeth or trees or people) came from the same area by comparing their composition in detail. It is a science called chemistry.We know that sand is an end product and how it is produced, for example by weathering rocks to produce the type sand that is the result of mountains being eroded.We can know how long it takes by observing the processes as it goes on today.We can know that 40 days and 40 nights of rain cannot weather much rock away or make much sand since we can directly see what tens of thousands of years of 24 hour a day racing water does to granite. Remember the picture I posted that showed the boulders sitting at the base of Niagara Falls.Just as with the Green River varves, the salt beds, the White Cliffs of Dover, there is and has never been a single model or method that can explain their existence in only 6000 much less 4300 years. There is no model or method that could wear down the Appalachians in only 6000 years.YEC and Creationism are simply DeadOnArrival.

There are yet another couple points that really need to be presented and they are the culture of questioning what you are told and then the culture of honesty, of attention to content regardless of source.So much of Christianity (and other religions and even social clubs) are based on accepting what the hierarchy passes down. Do not question or challenge or test what the elders or pastors or brothers or bishops or priests tell you.That is not the case when actually doing science. The culture there is to question not only what others tell you but even what you yourself believe and discover.The second and really important point is the culture of honesty.Any scientist that got caught excluding information that might hurt or refute the scientists position would be severely sanctioned within the science community. Fudging data or taking data out of context (quote mining) would not just lead to sanctions but in addition the whole lifetime body of work of that scientist would get reexamined.