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Author Topic:   Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)
ringo
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Message 226 of 1310 (752104)
03-08-2015 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ScottRP
03-08-2015 2:07 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
ScottRP writes:
What that photograph and Ezekiel's vision have in common is that they are both chariots of God.
Ezekiel had a vision of God which he expressed in a figurative way. You're bastardizing Ezekiel's vision by imposing it on something thing that happens to be round.

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Tangle
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Message 227 of 1310 (752109)
03-08-2015 3:30 PM
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03-08-2015 2:07 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
ScottRP writes:
What that photograph and Ezekiel's vision have in common is that they are both chariots of God.
The photograph has an anomoly caused by dust that doesn't even look like a chariot. Stop asserting and start providing evidence. If you can.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 228 of 1310 (752116)
03-08-2015 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ScottRP
03-08-2015 2:07 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
What that photograph and Ezekiel's vision have in common is that they are both chariots of God.
As a fellow Christian, what you are doing is demeening to Ezekiel's vision.
Fabricating "evidence" to support something else that came from God amounts to what is referred to as "Lying for Jesus". Its disgusting.
But to do that with a photo of a "spirit orb", which all know is caused by dust, is just plain idiotic.
As a fellow Christian, what you are doing is shameful and embarrassing. And frankly, offensive.
When you act like you have some special power that allows you to discern that what is in the photo is actually spiritual, and its just that the rest of us don't have the power that you do, that's when you are being a charlatan. You are no better than this guy:
Behavior like that is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
And I can support that claim with reason and scripture.

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ScottRP
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Message 229 of 1310 (752144)
03-09-2015 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by ringo
03-08-2015 2:49 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Ezekiel's vision was a real vision and not "figurative". He described exactly what he saw.

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ScottRP
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Message 230 of 1310 (752145)
03-09-2015 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Tangle
03-08-2015 3:30 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
That photo is not dust.

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jar
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Message 231 of 1310 (752146)
03-09-2015 9:06 AM
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03-09-2015 9:02 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
And your evidence to support that is ...?
Maybe you can provide some evidence for your other assertions or that the pictures show more than just dust and poor processing at the same time.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ScottRP
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Message 232 of 1310 (752147)
03-09-2015 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by New Cat's Eye
03-08-2015 6:10 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Ezekiel's wheels is the Rolls Royce of chariots.

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ScottRP
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Message 233 of 1310 (752148)
03-09-2015 9:18 AM
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03-09-2015 9:06 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Read message 20.

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ScottRP
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Message 234 of 1310 (752150)
03-09-2015 9:51 AM
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03-08-2015 6:10 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Lots of people have seen orbs with their naked eyes. I refer you to message 20. And I would suggest that you look up the word blasphemy before you go around accusing people of it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 235 of 1310 (752153)
03-09-2015 10:18 AM
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03-09-2015 9:51 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Lots of people have seen orbs with their naked eyes.
That doesn't change the fact that what you showed us a picture of is a piece of dust.
I refer you to message 20.
Message 20 contains a bare link. In the rules that you agreed to upon registering at this site is:
quote:
5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
The link contained a few anecdotes about people seeing balls of light.
Again, that doesn't change what is in the photo you showed us.
Also, the internet is full of anecdotes of people seeing all kinds of things. They're really not evidence of anything.
And I would suggest that you look up the word blasphemy before you go around accusing people of it.
I don't need to look it up, I already know what it is. Besides, I'm not just talking about blasphemy in general. I'm talking about what Jesus referred to as "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit".
Do you even know what that is? Take a look at Matthew 12:22-32.
quote:
22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23 All the people were astonished and said, Could this be the Son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Jesus healed a man and the Pharisees said that His power had come from the devil instead of God. They lied about God being involved in something by saying that it was something else.
You're doing the same thing, but backwards. You are lying about something else (a piece of dust) and saying that God was involved in it (calling it a chariot of God).
That you claim to have special powers in all this, is what makes you a charlatan:
I see the members of this forum as having limited or no experience with the spirit world. And as such, are not qualified to assess the photographs
I'm offering you a tiny light to the reality of Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Clearly. you are not well-versed in spirit photography.
I've been posting the truth, Only, you don't know that it is true.
Lies are being told about Him because the world lacks spiritual discernment.
You're a regular Peter Popoff.

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jar
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Message 236 of 1310 (752154)
03-09-2015 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by ScottRP
03-09-2015 9:18 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
You really don't have a clue what evidence is do you?
Eye witness reports are about the weakest possible evidence and even then are not evidence that what was seen was real or some spiritual chariot.
Do you have any evidence that anything seen is not just dust or fantasy?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 237 of 1310 (752168)
03-09-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by ScottRP
03-09-2015 9:02 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
ScottRP writes:
Ezekiel's vision was a real vision and not "figurative". He described exactly what he saw.
Seeing a "vision" is figurative. If Ezekiel had seen something concrete, he wouldn't have called it a vision - and the people with him would have seen it too. Ezekiel seeing a vision is the same as Martin Luther King having a dream.
Yes, Ezekiel described what he saw but he didn't see it in the same way he saw a coffee table or a camel. And again, you're bastardizing what he saw by attributing the same vision to a speck of dust.

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ScottRP
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From: Tustin, California USA
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Message 238 of 1310 (752247)
03-09-2015 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ringo
03-09-2015 11:48 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
A vision is not a dream. The person witnessing a vision is completely awake and in his/her body. What Ezekiel saw would have been spiritual in nature. I am not attributing a photograph of a spirit in a small chariot to Ezekiel's magnificent vision. It is merely a tiny piece of evidence suggesting that the grand vision Ezekiel's had was real.

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ScottRP
Member (Idle past 147 days)
Posts: 515
From: Tustin, California USA
Joined: 02-26-2015


Message 239 of 1310 (752248)
03-09-2015 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by jar
03-09-2015 10:23 AM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Those photographs have baffled man for decades. If I could, I'd ride over in one of those chariots and show you myself.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 240 of 1310 (752252)
03-09-2015 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by ScottRP
03-09-2015 6:07 PM


Re: My thoughts on Ezekiel's Vision of God.
Those photographs have baffled man for decades. If I could, I'd ride over in one of those chariots and show you myself.
Sorry but those photographs have not baffled anyone that is not delusional, willfully ignorant or just trying to con someone.
Again, where is your evidence that there are any chariots shown in any of the pictures?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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