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Author | Topic: Fundamental Biblical Christianity and Fundamental Islam Fundamentally 180% Opposites | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Coragyps responds to buzsaw:
quote:quote: And let's not forget David Koresh and Jim Jones. And just to show that it isn't restricted to Christians, let's not forget Heaven's Gate. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
buzsaw writes:
quote: No, Jesus just made a fig tree wither for having the audacity of not bearing fruit out of season:
Matthew 21:19: And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. The Bible also espouses animal abuse:
Hebrews 12:20: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: The Bible even exhorts us to kill people:
Romans 1:31: Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Luke 19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Paul makes someone go blind:
Acts 13:8: But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. 13:9: Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him. 13:10: And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? 13:11: And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. Paul compares himself to David...but David was hardly merciful:
2 Samuel 12:31: And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem. Let's not forget that Peter actually kills somebody:
5:1: But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 5:2: And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 5:3: But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 5:4: Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5:5: And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 5:6: And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 5:7: And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 5:8: And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 5:9: Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 5:10: Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Jesus threatens a crippled man with a worse fate:
John 5:14: Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. So any claims that Christianity is a peaceful religion simply aren't true. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wiz responds to me:
quote:quote: Oh, don't be naive. Do you really think that if you tell people that Joe Schmoe is "worthy of death," it would never cross anybody's mind to actually go ahead and do it? What on earth is the point of saying that somebody is "worthy of death" if not to indicate that he should be killed? Nowhere in the chapter does it say not to do it, that killing is wrong, or that the phrase is simply a metaphor or parable.
quote: What do you think "worthy of death" is if not an exhortation to kill?
quote:quote: Why did you cut out the rest of the verses I included?
Acts 5:3: But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 5:4: Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. What do you think Peter was doing? He scared Ananias to death...and then did the same thing to Ananias' wife.
quote: Um, what part of "doesn't need you" don't you understand? Your preaching to me again, mike. You're trying to convert me. I thought you said you wouldn't try to convert me. Stop it.
quote: Simple: One of the many contradictions in the Bible. The Old Testament is filled with commandments to go out and kill. The New Testament even describes people who are worthy of death with absolutely no mention that you're not supposed to actually follow through with that exhortation.
quote: Yep. God's laws don't change. So am I supposed to believe Leviticus which details many different things that require me to personally kill people or am I supposed to believe Exodus and Deuteronomy that say don't kill people? Since the Bible says that god's laws don't change and since the Bible clearly indicates that the law does change, what does that say about the validity of the Bible?
quote: No, not by your belief. By your claim that if others don't do what you tell them to, they'll go to hell. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wiz responds to me:
quote: Of course it does. You're missing the point, however. Since the Bible is filled with contradictory statements, why should anybody complain that a person is choosing to pay attention to one verse over another? After all, Jesus directly states that the Law has not been revoked. Not one jot, not one tittle of the Law shall change till all be fulfilled. So Leviticus is in full effect. When was the last time you stoned someone as Leviticus commands you to do? Why do you pay attention to the other statements of Jesus regarding Leviticus (basically calling the Pharisees hypocrites rather than actually saying that the Law has been revoked) rather than his direct statement that the Law will not be altered until all be fulfilled?
quote:quote: You tell them to believe in the Bible like you do. You say that if they disagree with your interpretation of the Bible, they are wrong. And, since you have the only accurate interpretation of the Bible, they're going to go to hell for that. Ergo, you're telling people to do what you say. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wiz responds to me:
quote:quote: Well, strictly speaking, Jesus did say that he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it and that not one jot, not one tittle of the law would change until all be fulfilled. Ergo, Christians need to follow Levitical proscriptions, too. So answer the question: When was the last time you stoned someone as Leviticus commands you to do?
quote: Sorry, but that's my point, mike. He came to fulfill the law, not change. It is still required to follow Leviticus. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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