The Bully Swarm Thread, off the Earth Science Curriculum thread

Thank you SO much for your thoughtful and considerate reply ihn which you so carefully consider the arguments I've made.

You are welcome. I have been reading and rejecting your arguments for many years. It is amazing, but I don't think there is anyone that I have disagreed with on more subjects than you.

I know for a fact that you just about never read anything I write, let along think about it, by how long it takes you to hit the Cheer button for anybody who disagrees with me. You are a sad case. And if you are telling me to get off ThinAir's thread, I respectfully request that you take your dragonfly back to Starbucks and get off MY thread.

I do like the cheer button. I love it when your opponents poke you in the eye with the truth. I just can't help myself. You are so consistently wrong about everything you write that it boggles the mind.

And if you are telling me to get off ThinAir's thread,

No, ThinAir was telling you that he wants to talk about evidence, not fantasy. Since you didn't have any evidence he asked you to stop.

Well, as a matter of fact he was speculating about what the Flood would do just as everybody else was doing. The evidence is available to all and I use it too. You don't know what you are talking about and you don't know how to think and you wouldn't know the truth if it poked YOU in the eye. Please get off my thread and stay off. Thank you.

ABE: Oh and P.S.: I've always been able to answer the posts you Cheer. You don't know what you are talking about.

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Faith writes: And people really need to stop talking about what "a flood" would do. Any flood anybody has ever seen would be NOTHING like The Flood.

You keep saying really silly stuff like the above yet you never provide any reasoning or evidence of why that might be true.

How would 40 days and 40 nights of rain wear away more granite than tens of thousands of years of water falling over Niagara Falls or any other such water fall?

It really is that simple Faith.

This IS a site for DEBATE between creationists and evolutionists, right? Apparently ThinAir won't discuss anything with a creationist. Now they are discussing how water sorts according to size. Yes, and so what? We'd expect to see this in the Flood wherever Walther's Law applies, and perhaps also in strata laid down by waves as beach sand is, the heavier larger particles depositing on the bottom of the layer. This would take examining a lot of layers everywhere. Just off the top of my head I'm aware of some layers of coarser material that occur higher in the column than other layers, in the Grand Canyon as well as the Grand Staircase, but this needs checking.

The purpose of the original thread is very clear and focused. ThinAir is looking for teaching ideas to help convince YECs that the earth and universe are old. He is NOT trying to discuss whether or not the earth really IS old, whether or not there was a global flood, or whether or not flood geology explains anything. His thread starts with an old earth as a "given" and works from there.

Well, as a matter of fact he was speculating about what the Flood would do just as everybody else was doing.

No, he is asking questions and for clarifications of the answers he is getting. Everyone else is giving him experiments to demonstrate various principles and formulas to calculate what will happen. They are giving him published references. What you are doing is fantasizing, no science involved.

You don't know what you are talking about and you don't know how to think and you wouldn't know the truth if it poked YOU in the eye.

Good one!

Only his opinion is acceptable. Or antiFloodists' opinion anyway.

First, not all "opinions" or interpretations are of equal value.

And second, you were peddling belief that is completely contradicted by scientific evidence in the Science Forum. Religious belief unsupported by evidence just doesn't belong in that forum.

Actually I was giving better interpretations of the Flood against superficial kneejerk interpretations. But OK, if they continue to say nonsensical things about the Flood over there I'll answer them over here.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Because of tides and waves that deposited material in layers with time gaps in between. What, you prefer the nonsensical idea that the coal seams represent a time period?

So, you think that layers were laid down with "time gaps" but don't represent any type of "time period." What can that possibly mean? I have tried to point this out to you before that in your scenario the "time periods" are there... they just represent minutes or possibly hours rather than millions of years. But they undoubtedly represent "time periods."

HBD

Oh and P.S.: I've always been able to answer the posts you Cheer.

You may have replied to them, but never with evidence, just fantasy.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You sure like saying that, twice in one post. Childish.

faith writes: Any flood anybody has ever seen would be NOTHING like The Flood.

That's a convenient way to get around any evidence isn't it? Never mind what we can actually see happening in real life, the magical Flood woulda/coulda/shoulda been different.

So, you think that layers were laid down with "time gaps" but don't represent any type of "time period." What can that possibly mean? I have tried to point this out to you before that in your scenario the "time periods" are there... they just represent minutes or possibly hours rather than millions of years. But they undoubtedly represent "time periods

I don't recall you making that point, but what I mean by time periods is the millions of years currently assigned to the layers of the Geo Column otherwise known as the Geo Time Scale, the Eras and so on. Time gaps of hours or even days are something else, and would fit into a Flood scenario that takes wave action and tides into account.

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Scale, proportion, ocean currents and waves which are not part of the usual local flood. THINK.

You don't know what you are talking about. Third time now.

Yes I've certainly used evidence but what you manage not to consider is that everything anybody says for or against the Flood is speculation. It can't be anything else. We make use of physical principles for the speculation.

Faith writes: Actually I was giving better interpretations of the Flood against superficial kneejerk interpretations.

And that's the problem with your position Faith, you offer only interpretations where all the others have been offering evidence and explanations.

You need to provide the actual model and method that explains what is seen. Just claiming the flood did it or it's in the Bible carries no weight or worth.

You claim the rain and flood was different than what we see today. Then you need to explain how it would be different than water cascading over a water fall, monsoon flooding, annual river floods and all the other examples we see today.

You need to provide the method that can produce layer of chalk seen at the White Cliffs of Dover in just 6000 years, how to make over six million alternating light and dark, fine and coarse layers in just 6000 years, how to make salt layers hundreds of feet think and buried thousands of feet underground in just 6000 years.

This is the tip, the very tip of the problem you face Faith. There are literally thousands of other things easily explained under an old earth scenario but impossible in a young earth one and the problem for you is that all of the thousands of such examples are not a matter of interpretation but fact, reality.

As a Christian it is very important for me to show folk that it is not necessary to abandon Christianity, only the falsehoods being marketed by the snake oil salesmen.

Faith writes: Scale, proportion, ocean currents and waves which are not part of the usual local flood. THINK.

But your THOUGHTS are pure FANTASY, with no connection to reality.