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Jon
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Message 1 of 43 (753525)
03-20-2015 12:36 PM


Do you believe in unforgivable sin?
What do you consider these sins to be?
If it meant saving the life of an innocent person, would you commit an unforgivable sin damning your soul to eternal torment?

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 4 of 43 (753530)
03-20-2015 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
03-20-2015 12:47 PM


Re: Throwing Stones
Jon writes:
If it meant saving the life of an innocent person, would you commit an unforgivable sin damning your soul to eternal torment?
I would never knowing do anything were I to believe I would be damned eternally...or even briefly!
Thank you for your answer and your honesty.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 7 of 43 (753542)
03-20-2015 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2015 1:16 PM


If it meant saving the life of an innocent person, would you commit an unforgivable sin damning your soul to eternal torment?
Nope.
Thank you for your answer and your honesty.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 23 of 43 (762242)
07-09-2015 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Mal
07-09-2015 10:36 AM


Re: First post >.<
Welcome, Mal!
I was confused by the first two sentences as one refers to a single item and the other to plural.
By 'unforgivable sin' I simply mean the idea that sin(s) exist that cannot be forgiven no matter the circumstances.
"If it meant saving the life of an innocent person, would you commit an unforgivable sin damning your soul to eternal torment?"
I am not sure under which circumstances this could happen.
If you save the life of an innocent person is that not a good thing that deserves a reward rather than a punishment?
I would think so; though, of course, it isn't my decision to make.
I am not sure which god would sentence someone to eternal torment for saving an innocent person.
Apparently New Cat's Eye thinks his might:
quote:
New Cat's Eye in Message 6:
If it meant saving the life of an innocent person, would you commit an unforgivable sin damning your soul to eternal torment?
Nope.
I find it rather disturbing.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 36 of 43 (762315)
07-10-2015 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
07-10-2015 2:31 PM


Re: First post >.<
And the single example that we have of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is fairly well-defined and even comes with a concrete example.
Whether the example is helpful or not, it's pretty clear that the sin itself is pretty open ended. Notice that the sin itself is defined as "but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost". That's not very specific at all.
It's like pointing out that someone going 70 MPH is speeding and then declaring speeding against the law without ever actually saying what the fuck the speedlimit is.
As a directive, it couldn't be any more useless.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 39 of 43 (762410)
07-11-2015 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
07-11-2015 10:49 AM


Re: First post >.<
"Whosoever speaks against what they know their conscience to be...".
If you mean doing/not doing things despite knowing doing/not doing so to be 'right', then I'd argue that it's pretty much impossible to be a human and not be guilty of something like that.
We always go against our judgements and often fail to do what we believe to be right. In fact, I'd say people, even the best, likely fail to do what they know is right far more often than they do do what they think is right or even avoid doing something they think is wrong.
Homo sapiens just seems to be a synonym for 'miserable fucking failure'.
Doing our best is so hard; but that is also what makes it so absolutely meaningful when weon the most rare of occasionsactually manage to do it.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 42 of 43 (762453)
07-12-2015 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by New Cat's Eye
07-12-2015 12:10 PM


There's the concrete example before them that Jesus explains further with an analogy. Its quite detailed so I don't understand how you can complain that it isn't specific.
Because as you said, it's an example. Going 70 MPH is also an examplea very detailed and concrete one.
But just offering that one example doesn't really clarify "thou shalt not speed".
The directive is vague as hell, and you need more than one example to clear it up.
Sure it could, it could have contained a lot less.
No need to tell jokes. Your position is funny enough as is.

Love your enemies!

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