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Message 356 of 409 (753520)
03-20-2015 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Faith
03-20-2015 11:07 AM


There IS a depression there, you can see the edge of it in the lower part of the yellow circles.

Thaty's teh boundary between the lightened and un-lightened part. I.e the edge of the shadow of the clasts.

Not really sure what you've ended up showing here.

That the topography continues across the border between the lightened and un-lightened part with no indication of a depression.


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Message 357 of 409 (753522)
03-20-2015 12:16 PM
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03-20-2015 11:37 AM


Overlaid two copies, brightened one, selected the shadow areas in the brightened one, selected the inverse, feathered the selection edge a tad, and erased the selected area. Piece o' cake.
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Message 360 of 409 (753547)
03-20-2015 1:52 PM
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03-20-2015 12:46 PM


HOWEVER, as I analyze even your lightened version I still think that's a depression the clasts came out of. That IS the physical edge of a depression, not just the edge of the shadow that was originally there.

It's the edge of the shadow that was originally there. It's the boundary between the un-lightened and lightened version.

The clasts still appear to be suspended above the depression.

Oh, the clasts are definitely slightly above the Vishnu surface. That's why your idea of encroaching sandstone picking them up off the Vishnu is so silly.

The lightened area where the shadow was is the schist at the bottom of the depression, it is not continuous with the surface

Sorry. Nope. I see several continuous features crossing that line, some of them I've outlined in green

If you have any evidence other than "it sho' looks depresssionish to me", trot it out.

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Message 362 of 409 (753550)
03-20-2015 2:02 PM
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03-20-2015 1:52 PM


Interesting observation. Why do you think that is that case?

Well it sho' looks like that to me.

What does that material between the clast and the schist seem to be?

Looks like air from here.


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Message 365 of 409 (753555)
03-20-2015 2:37 PM
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You are also seeing something that is interesting to me. You are pointing out a fabric in the softer, shadowed material. How did that form and from what material? Does it look like sand?

Not sure what you mean by "fabric", and we don't know much from that photograph about the hardness. IMHO the shadowed area is Vishnu Schist, just a continuation of the un-shadowed area.


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Message 397 of 409 (753630)
03-21-2015 8:48 AM
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03-20-2015 8:00 PM


And no, I'm seeing the clasts and the depression correctly, you aren't.

Infallible in everything, not just the Bible, hum?

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Message 398 of 409 (753631)
03-21-2015 8:55 AM
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03-20-2015 9:58 PM


The edge even has a slight bevel to it,

Point it out.

the inner border is way too sharp to be a shadow. Also that shadow is just way too dark, showing no features at all of the supposed surface that would have to be there.

Shadows in bright sunlight have sharp edges.

Also that shadow is just way too dark, showing no features at all of the supposed surface that would have to be there. Yet even the vertical edge the clasts are stuck in, which is in shadow itself, is so light it would reflect light enough to pick up features in that dark shadow even in the original photo, if it really was a shadow on the same level, but that is not the case. All this is so obvious I see I can't trust anything you say about a photo image.

BS. Obviously you don't know anything about dynamic range in photographs. I do. The HDR picture I posted shows that the shadowed area is illuminated, showing features within. The original image didn't have the dynamic range required to

Of course, in your scenario the bottom of the "depression" wold be illuminated in the original picture.

Then tyou go on to outline in green a part of the higher surface on the bottom left along with the lower shadow in the depression, claiming they are on the same surface. Sheesh, this is ridiculous.

The features in the shadow are obviously extensions of the features in the light, as my ellipses indicate.


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Message 399 of 409 (753632)
03-21-2015 8:57 AM
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03-20-2015 10:38 PM


Actually, I pointed this our well before Percy did. I mentioned that the larger image with the geologist was from the exact location of the original picture that you posted.

Yes, you did.


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