Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

There are many kinds of unconformities and this article may help you with understanding.The Great Unconformity though is a specific example, one where a whole section of the Super Group is simply missing.In this specific case the rock layers that make up the Tonto Group sit directly on the Vishnu Schist, the Super Group (over two vertical miles of rocks) is gone. The issue faced was "How to explain what is seen?"The only explanation so far has been that the whole two plus miles of rock got eroded away?That lead to asking "How long did it take to first created the various layers of rocks that make up the over two miles of the Super Group and how long would it take to erode all of that away? Then how long would it take to create all the other layers that are above the Great Unconformity? Can that be explained by any known process, procedure, model, method, mechanism that could do all that in just 6000 years?"So far over the last couple hundred years no one has been able to present any known process, procedure, model, method, mechanism that could do all that in just 6000 years.

That is the size of the Super Group that should be filling the Great Unconformity but are missing.As pointed out in Message 4, here is an illustration that helps explain what is meant by "Great Unconformity".It is not the rocks that are still there but rather the over one billion years of rock that are not there.At the location of the Great Unconformity all of the Super Group is missing; 6800 feet of Unkar Group rocks, 370 feet of the Nankoweap Formation, 5200 feet of the Chuar Group and 200 feet of the Sixty Mile Formation.Over two vertical miles of rocks had been eroded away before the Tapets Sandstone of the Tonto Group was laid down.This means that the Earth must be at least old enough to have laid down the Super Group rocks and then eroded away the Super Group rocks at the location of the Great Unconformity and also lay down all the rock that are above the Great Unconformity; not just millions but billions of years.

Yes, many of us have posted that illustration for you.Notice that it also shows places where the Super Group is below the Tapeats Sandstone.It is not the rocks that are still there but rather the over one billion years of rock that are not there.At the location of the Great Unconformity all of the Super Group is missing; 6800 feet of Unkar Group rocks, 370 feet of the Nankoweap Formation, 5200 feet of the Chuar Group and 200 feet of the Sixty Mile Formation.Over two vertical miles of rocks had been eroded away before the Tapeats Sandstone of the Tonto Group was laid down.This means that the Earth must be at least old enough to have laid down the Super Group rocks and then eroded away the Super Group rocks at the location of the Great Unconformity and also lay down all the rock that are above the Great Unconformity; not just millions but billions of years.If you look again at the illustration you will see that at the location called the Great Unconformity all of the Super Group is missing.So far the only explanation is that it was uplifted and eroded away before the area once again subsided to become marine transgression that produced the Tapeats Sandstone.If you can present a model, method, mechanism, process, procedure that could account for what is seen in reality other than the conventional one, then it too could be examined.We can know that the Super Group rocks were once there because we can determine the ages of both the Vishnu Schist and the Tapeats Sandstone and those formations are separated by at least a billion years. We can also see areas where the rocks of the Super Group remain and have not been eroded away.

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You have been shown the basis for the idea of two miles of missing rock and have even acknowledged that you were already familiar with the evidence but what the hey, here it is yet again.From Message 4:

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an illustration that helps explain what is meant by "Great Unconformity".

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It is not the rocks that are still there but rather the over one billion years of rock that are not there.

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Notice that the Tapeats Sandstone immediately overlies the Super Group except where it is immediately above the Vishnu Schist.At that point all of the Super Group rocks (over two miles of rocks) are missing.Read the numbers on the far right.The Sixty Mile Formation is 200 feet thick.The Chuar Group is 5200 feet thick.The NanKoweap Formation is 370 feet thick.The Unkar group is 6800 feet thick.200 + 5200 + 370 + 6800 = 12700 feet.One mile = 5280 feet.12700 / 5280 = 2.38 miles.In the area where the Tapeats Sandstone immediately abuts the Vishnu Schist at least 2.38 miles of rock is missing.Of course it could be considerably more missing rock but we can say with near certainty that at least two miles of rock was eroded away before the Tapeats Sandstone was laid down.Edited by jar, : appali spallin in sub-title

Since the incident did not happen it has to be simply fable, story telling.

Why is it not true when it comes to its statements about the creation of life and the age of the earth?

Would it not be more accurate to say that "the Great Unconformity represents at least a billion years of missing record?"We can say that the time period would be at least as long as shown by the remaining layers of the Super Group but what is left of the Super Group is very likely not all that was there.

Of course erosion explains flat surfaces. In fact erosion must produce flat surfaces.Erosion and weathering move materials from the high points to the low points.If you stop and think about the process at all you must see that the result will be a flatter surface than before the erosion or weathering.Erosion most certainly can and does explain flat surfaces.Sorry Faith but it really is that simple.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Shouted nonsense is still nonsense Faith.If erosion/weathering moves material from high points and deposits it in the low places why would the suface not change from lumpy to smoother?

Shouted nonsense is still nonsense Faith.If erosion/weathering moves material from high points and deposits it in the low places why would the surface not change from lumpy to smoother?

Shouted nonsense is still nonsense Faith.If erosion/weathering moves material from high points and deposits it in the low places why would the surface not change from lumpy to smoother?After a while continuing to shout nonsense is just stupid.

Faith has even been shown the evidence of whole river valley systems that were filled in and covered over to create flat plains (since I happen to live in one) yet just responds with denial.

I don't think anyone understands how you can make such an assertion. Why can't erosion/weathering create a horizontal surface? In fact how could erosion/weathering do anything except move material from high spots to low spots to level surfaces out?

But you have been shown conclusive evidence of buried valleys and river beds. That is only true if you ignore all the stuff that is not straight; in other words the actual evidence. If you had paid attention to what folk have been telling you the Super Group was never the root of a mountain but rather the surface. That is why so much of it got worn away; in fact the Great Unconformity is direct evidence that it was at the surface and then eroded away before the Tapeats Sandstone was laid down..