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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
jar
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Message 346 of 1939 (753950)
03-23-2015 3:11 PM
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03-23-2015 3:00 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
You do realize that the pictures you are posting simply support what I have been saying all along, that erosion moves material from high spots to low spots resulting in high places getting lower and low places filling in to produce a level surface don't you?

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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 347 of 1939 (753952)
03-23-2015 3:14 PM
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03-23-2015 3:00 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith writes:

Googled "erosion" to get some images to explain why I think years of erosion would never produce a flat surface.

Those pictures are of the *process* of erosion, not the final result.

As I see it, this is the "scale" problem that I describe in the Curriculum thread -- humans are really bad at thinking about what the end result of erosion is because it takes SO long to get to the end result.

Every bit of the material removed in your pictures started at a higher place and ended at a lower place. Simply extend that to it's logical conclusion and that is EXACTLY how you end up with flat surfaces.

JB


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Message 348 of 1939 (753953)
03-23-2015 3:20 PM
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03-23-2015 3:11 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
The processes that cut into the land aren't going to stop when a given trench has been filled with sediment.

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ThinAirDesigns
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Message 349 of 1939 (753958)
03-23-2015 3:50 PM
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03-23-2015 3:20 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith, you are either incapable of understanding or unwilling to understand how gravity moves particles of the earth from high to low and what the end result of that actually is - flatness. It's a very simple and organic process that never stops. During the process, there will be irregularities because soft things erode faster than hard things, but hard things erode just the same, just at a different rate.

All of the above is demonstrable and super simple and your posted pictures are evidence themselves of the process. You're fighting gravity and you will never win.

JB


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jar
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Message 350 of 1939 (753963)
03-23-2015 4:07 PM
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03-23-2015 3:20 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith writes:

The processes that cut into the land aren't going to stop when a given trench has been filled with sediment.

Actually, all of the evidence sows that is exactly what happens. The process of course has been continuing for billions of years and yo have been show the results numerous times but here are a few examples.

There are whole buried river systems as you were taught in Message 191 of Origin of the Flood Layers.

There is the scree found at the bottom of monoliths as you were taught in Message 227 of this thread.

And the process moves material from high points to lower points which lowers the high and raises the low resulting in flatter surfaces.

Unless you can explain how erosion does not move material from high to low and how that would not lead to a flatter surface you once again have nothing.


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Message 351 of 1939 (753969)
03-23-2015 4:31 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
"Flatter" is not as remarkably flat as the GU in the images I posted in 213 and 313. And again, get your surface as flat as you can, does the rain stop? Does the wind stop? If not they are going to continue to cut into the surface and unsettle its flatness.

ABE: And didn't any tectonic events occur to raise the land either?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 352 of 1939 (753973)
03-23-2015 4:36 PM


So, here's the diagram from Faith's original post.

Faith, how flat is the Great Unconformity?

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Message 353 of 1939 (753975)
03-23-2015 4:38 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith writes:

"Flatter" is not as remarkably flat as the GU in the images I posted in 213 and 313. And again, get your surface as flat as you can, does the rain stop? Does the wind stop? If not they are going to continue to cut into the surface and unsettle its flatness.

And of course we can show you example after example of what happens when wind and rain continue endlessly on totally flat surfaces. Turns out it does NOT continue to cut in nor unsettle it's flatness.


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Message 354 of 1939 (753977)
03-23-2015 4:41 PM
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03-23-2015 3:00 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Hey, everybody! You fail to see the obvious in Faith's photos.

Faith, your choice of photos betray your failed reasoning and understanding of erosion.

With the GU we are talking about the erosion of rock by all erosional processes. Your examples -- and hence your understanding of the GU -- fail to take any of that into account. You are restricting your examples to loose soil and to erosion by running water.

What about the erosion of rock, which is what we're really talking about? Is that solely by running water? No, it is not. What about wind erosion? Blowing sand that etches away at the entire surface of the rock in a somewhat uniform manner, in which the main factor to vary the amount of erosion is how hard the different exposed rock are? What about weathering, which involves several different processes, such that water's main role would be to transport the resulting debris to lower elevations? Weathering would also act somewhat uniformly over the entire exposed surface of the rock.

Instead of relying on an overly simplistic view of erosion, you need to take in account the full range of erosional processes and their effects.

BTW, even in your overly simplistic view that is restricted to just water erosion of loose soil, those channels only cut so deep before they widen into broader channels, doing more to erode away at the banks than to cut ever deeper. You've seen river beds before, haven't you? Not sharply and deeply cut V's, but rather wide with a wide, shallow, flat river bottom.


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Message 355 of 1939 (753978)
03-23-2015 4:42 PM
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03-23-2015 4:36 PM


irrelevant, Dr. A because I drew those blocks to show what I thought they were like originally, but they have supposedly been "eroded" to their current horizontal flatness, which can be seen on the standard cross sections and in the messages I keep referencing: 213 and 313,

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Message 356 of 1939 (753979)
03-23-2015 4:42 PM
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03-23-2015 4:31 PM


Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith writes:


"Flatter" is not as remarkably flat as the GU in the images I posted in 213 and 313. And again, get your surface as flat as you can, does the rain stop? Does the wind stop? If not they are going to continue to cut into the surface and unsettle its flatness.

Unless there is an elevation difference, no, the rain will not cut into a surface and unsettle its flatness.

That is a fact Faith.

As you have been told, the Great Unconformity is not remarkably flat.

Wind can move material that is already eroded but wind itself does very little eroding. When wind picks up other material it can sand blast surfaces, but as pointed out above, the material it carries must first have been eroded.

Finally, gravity works. Even when wind carries material and piles it up, gravity works to pull it down hill towards a flat, level surface.

None of this is speculation Faith but rather conclusions based on millions of observations over several centuries.


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Message 357 of 1939 (753980)
03-23-2015 4:44 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Far as I know images of how rock erodes aren't available.

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Message 358 of 1939 (753981)
03-23-2015 4:45 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
You are never going to get such perfect flatness that there won't be some differences in elevation to get erosion started, even if only inches.

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Message 359 of 1939 (753982)
03-23-2015 4:46 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Don't see any cracks in those G.U. contacts.

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Message 360 of 1939 (753984)
03-23-2015 4:51 PM
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Re: G U too flat to be eroded: images
Faith writes:

Far as I know images of how rock erodes aren't available.

Maybe these will help.

more pictures of rock eroding


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