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Jon
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Message 31 of 236 (754038)
03-24-2015 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by coffee_addict
03-23-2015 11:48 PM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
What's wrong with you?
I keep trying to have an honest discussion with you, and all you do is hurl insults at me and everyone else who might disagree with you.
I'm genuinely perplexed.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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coffee_addict
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Message 32 of 236 (754039)
03-24-2015 1:05 AM
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03-24-2015 12:21 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
I don't intend to insult. If you feel insulted, I apologize.
It's just that I really have no inclination to have an argument with my younger self.
It's like trying to have a convo with a young earth creationist. I know they're wrong, but since I used to be a young earth creationist myself I know it's impossible for me to convince them that they're wrong. So, why have a convo at all if everything I say will hit a lead wall?
I wish you the best on your endeavor in life.

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Message 33 of 236 (754153)
03-24-2015 4:56 PM


ubuntu success
thanks everyone for helping me get here from ubuntu linux!

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RAZD
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Message 34 of 236 (754209)
03-25-2015 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Percy
03-23-2015 12:58 PM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
Also, don't tell Microsoft, but I'm retired now, so I'm no longer entitled to the Microsoft Office suite that employment at my former company qualified me for. Moving the license to a new install would be detected. Next time I upgrade the OS or purchase a new computer I'll have to pay for a Microsoft Office license.
Look into LibreOffice (used to be OpenOffice) freeware. They also have beginning cad and project management software.
Curiously I have an old version of AutoCad (fully licensed but haven't paid for updates) and it won't run on Windoze 7 or higher (so I need XP alt boost to use): I got it when new owner drove the company I was working for into the dirt and fired the design staff -- they had no idea of the value of the software and were going to throw it away. They are now bankrupted history.
But I need a new laptop, and I would like Ubuntu 14 (trusty tapir) as the primary\sole OS, and that means seeing if I can Wine and dine Autocad to work on a virtual OS window ... (and I would like to use touch screen). Then maybe I can let XP go.
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Jon
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Message 35 of 236 (754216)
03-25-2015 9:50 AM
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03-25-2015 7:36 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
Look into LibreOffice (used to be OpenOffice) freeware.
OpenOffice is still there; I just downloaded their most recent version the other day. It looks more like LibreOffice is a separate package built from OpenOffice source.
I'm gonna have to download it and see what it's all about.

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Message 36 of 236 (754219)
03-25-2015 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jon
03-25-2015 9:50 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
It looks more like LibreOffice is a separate package built from OpenOffice source.
The technical term is "fork".
The Open Office project was forked maybe 3 years ago, and most linux distros have been going with the Libre Office branch of that fork. I've forgotten (or maybe I never knew) what was the disagreement that led to a fork.
Come to think of it (this is "evcforum"), what we have here is common descent with change.

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Message 37 of 236 (754220)
03-25-2015 10:34 AM
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03-25-2015 10:30 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
It comes down to Sun owning OpenOffice and Oracle buying out Sun. A lot of people were less than happy with Sun, and even less happy with Oracle.

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RAZD
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Message 38 of 236 (754221)
03-25-2015 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jon
03-25-2015 9:50 AM


open source office suite programs
OpenOffice is still there; I just downloaded their most recent version the other day. It looks more like LibreOffice is a separate package built from OpenOffice source.
I'm gonna have to download it and see what it's all about.
Yes the original was Open Office, and it split into Libre Office and Apache Open Office according to my sources.
My experience is that LibreOffice is very close to the older OpenOffice, but I don't know what the other version is like.
It does word documents, spreadsheets, slide shows, draw and all can be saved in microsoft formats just as all microsoft documents can be openned and used in Libre\Open Office programs.
The Open Office Suite used to be bundled in Ubuntu, and now the Libre Office Suite is bundled in the new versions.
I'd like a more robust cad program (hot key shortcuts to commands) from them, and I'd like a more robust project manager program, but I can get by with what I have on those.
Let me know if you think the Apache OO Suite is better?
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Jon
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Message 39 of 236 (754222)
03-25-2015 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by PaulK
03-25-2015 10:34 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
The one I downloaded the other day was called Apache OpenOffice.
I don't think the Oracle one exists anymore...

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Jon
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Message 40 of 236 (754225)
03-25-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by RAZD
03-25-2015 10:38 AM


Re: open source office suite programs
Let me know if you think the Apache OO Suite is better?
I can, but my opinion won't count for much. I don't use the programs regularly enough to be really familiar with them. There was something I was trying to do with OO a couple of years back that I found to be a pain in the ass compared to Word, and I sort of abandoned using it for day to day stuff.
I wish I could remember what that was, because I'd give it a try in the new versions.
Downloading Libre now; I'll let you know my first impressions. But, I will tell you this: Apache's was about 130 MB and Libre is 214; so there's a difference right there.

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Theodoric
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Message 41 of 236 (754226)
03-25-2015 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Jon
03-25-2015 9:50 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
Some quick comparisons. LibreOffice seems to be a little bit more advanced.
As always Oracle is the villain.
http://www.howtogeek.com/...ference-and-which-should-you-use
LibreOffice vs. OpenOffice: Why LibreOffice Wins | Datamation

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coffee_addict
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Message 42 of 236 (754227)
03-25-2015 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by nwr
03-25-2015 10:30 AM


Re: In Defense of Us Luddites
Nwr writes
quote:
The technical term is "fork".
You need to be careful with this. If there's a female in the room, she might report you for using this word. You could be publically shamed and fired from your job.

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RAZD
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Message 43 of 236 (754228)
03-25-2015 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Jon
03-25-2015 10:47 AM


Re: open source office suite programs
... There was something I was trying to do with OO a couple of years back that I found to be a pain in the ass compared to Word, ...
Haven't tried Libre yet, but one of the areas in OO that I had some difficulty with was doing "track changes" on legal documents under negotiations, so that you could see who modified what in the documents. OO could do it but finding the formating commands was not as user friendly.
Downloading Libre now; I'll let you know my first impressions. But, I will tell you this: Apache's was about 130 MB and Libre is 214; so there's a difference right there.
Hopefully that translates into usable functionality.
Thanks

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Jon
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Message 44 of 236 (754237)
03-25-2015 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by RAZD
03-25-2015 10:53 AM


Re: open source office suite programs
I am using them both now. When I installed Apache's version, I looked through everything to make sure it wasn't pulling any stunts. I wish I would have done the same with Libre, because it redid all my file associations .
I don't think I use enough special features to really notice a huge difference between the two.
One thing, though, is that I notice neither give me the option of inserting asterisks, daggers, etc. for footnotes. I don't get why that is absent. I do like how Libre has some frequently used things in the toolbar (like special symbols). So it wins me over on that.
Remember that excel formula you helped me with a while ago? Well, I loaded that document into both of these programs and I liked Libre better here too. I have several categories for expenses, and with MS and Libre, I can enter just the first letter of the category, the rest pops up, and I then Tab to the next cell. Apache doesn't let me do that for some reason. I either have to type the whole thing in or use the mouse to click over to the next cell. It really slows things down.
Based on these little things, I think I'd use Libre over Apache. But I still can't get over them both lacking the asterisks for footnotes... it's so strange.
ABE: For comparison, Apache requires 650 MB of disk space, Libre 1.5 GB, and MS (according to their website) 3.0 GB!
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Message 45 of 236 (754239)
03-25-2015 12:26 PM
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03-25-2015 12:13 PM


Re: open source office suite programs
I use Libra regularly. Stable and no monkey business. I Make do with it, but far prefer MS Office, but that may mostly be (not certainly not all) from 20 years of familiarity with Office.
But then there's the cost thing.
JB

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