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Author Topic:   Presbyterian Church approves of same-sex marriages
RAZD
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Message 27 of 123 (753367)
03-19-2015 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
03-19-2015 8:10 AM


purpose?
I see no point nor purpose for marriage between two men.
The point and purpose has to do with secular laws that treat married couples different from non-married people, laws that have to do with inheritance, especially of benefits, income tax breaks, visitation rights in hospitals and any other place where "family only" restrictions apply.
The point and purpose is to recognize that a devoted couple make a family unit.
The point and purpose is to recognize that we are all people of equal value.
What I dont expect nor accept is a couple in church limiting themselves to carnal expression.
Marriage is not about a license to have sex, it is about commitment for the long run, through sickness and health. A chosen demonstration of commitment, made in public to love and honor each other.
Give them their rights as a secular society.
And we do. A secular society dedicated to equality and justice, and to the freedom to pursue happiness where it is found.
Just as we, without discrimination, give heterosexual couples their rights to marry without regard for their religion or lack thereof, and without regard for their sexual preferences, predilections, practices or limitations (from age, infertility, sexual dysfunction, etc).
This church is, sadly a club I would want to avoid. They have no spirituality.
and I would not want to belong to a church that discriminates and rejects people from being members.
A church is much more than a social club for meeting people.
and when it is used to divide people into "us" and "them" it becomes evil.
But that's just my opinion ...
Enjoy

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Message 97 of 123 (754208)
03-25-2015 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by New Cat's Eye
03-23-2015 3:22 PM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Let me see if I can help you over your self imposed hurdle ...
The only thing you have going for you is that gay sex can't produce children. But that is no basis on which to determine whether or not gay peoples' children are wanted.
and that is precisely the basis for saying that they can't produce an unwanted child between them -- it has nothing to do with their activity before or after or with another person or with any children of such outside relationships -- the focal point is that they can't produce children between them so none of those not produced children will be unwanted.
Now stop wasting bandwidth.
Edited by RAZD, : sheesh

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RAZD
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Message 100 of 123 (754224)
03-25-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by New Cat's Eye
03-25-2015 9:57 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Do you have trouble getting jokes sometimes?
and that is precisely the basis for saying that they can't produce an unwanted child between them
But that's just stupid. They can't produce a child between them at all.
That's no basis to determine if the children they do have are wanted or not.
the focal point is that they can't produce children between them so none of those not produced children will be unwanted.
Something that cannot exist doesn't have an adjective describing it, whoopty-do!
It was sarcasm, Sheldon.
Get over it.

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RAZD
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Message 118 of 123 (754507)
03-27-2015 1:19 PM
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03-27-2015 11:37 AM


Re: A Distinction with a Difference
Tom while Mark had had had had had had had had had had pleased the teacher more.
It's just punctuation eh?

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