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NosyNed
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Message 76 of 334 (75264)
12-26-2003 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Itachi Uchiha
12-26-2003 9:11 PM


The bottom line here is that nobody can give me enough evidence for the fact that they dont exist as well as i cant convince anybody that they do

You are correct, of course. We can simple take our different views of the world and agree to disagree with no need for any conflict then.

I'm glad that you can enjoy your belief and I will leave you to it in the church of your choice. I don't intend to influence what is taught in your church. Your job is to refrain from attempting to influence what is taught in the science class. Then we are even.


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Message 77 of 334 (75265)
12-26-2003 10:15 PM
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12-26-2003 9:11 PM


jazzlover-PR

Honestly the only evidence for the existence of god,angels and demons is personal experience. I know they exist because of my own experiences with them but i cant blame anyone here for not believing cause they havent seen them.

What personal experiences did you have with God ,angels,and demons and why do you suppose it is only you who can know about them? Just what experience did you go through and what were the events surrounding it?

"Life is not a static thing. The only people who do not change their minds are incompetents in asylums, and those in cemeteries."
--Everett McKinley Dirksen


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 78 of 334 (75275)
12-26-2003 10:56 PM


This dreams are very symbolic. sometimes you know what it means ,have an idea of what it means or just simply have no clue at all. It can concern you, a loved one, or even someone who you do not know but they all have a message. When you dont understand your dreams there are people in the church that have the ability to interpret them. it can be the pastor or somebody else.

A few days ago one of these interpreters in my church had a dream with me where God showed her that a demon wanted to continue imparing my eyesight(i have eyesight problems sice birth) and that to stop this i had to fasten and pray for a day.

When it comes to my personal experineces, the last one i had was a bit hard to explain. It was night time and i was in bedroom when i heard some noises from the first floor of the house. My parents an sister were sleeping so i went to check it out. Three demons dresed like muslims were staling in my house. When i went to confront them they took out some swords and tried to stab me. I was running all over the house looking for a weapon while i ran from them. I saw a bible at the dinner table and heard a voice in my heard that said "Gods Wordis our sword". I took the bible and said the same thing aloud. the bible turned into a sword in my hand and the demos got even more pissed. I fought them while reciting some Bilble verses until i beat them. For this one dream the meaning was clear. I understood that I had to study his word more in oder to defend myself better in the physical and spiritual world.

I know you guys will make fun of me it happened to me andI dont care. I know people who have had more ineresting dreams than the ones i had but they are still spiritual experineces. Many times we have moments when the presece of god invades us and we leave our physical bodies sleeping in our beds and our spirits walk around the house and when god gets us back in our body even though this happened during the whole night we feel physically like nothing happened and slept all night. This of course because our bob stayed resting

so have a laugh i guess


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Message 79 of 334 (75284)
12-26-2003 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Asgara
12-26-2003 9:41 PM


Asgara, Jesus cast a demons out of a man who was a cutter. Also, you didn't address the other self mutilators I cited in my post.

Btw, I forgot to mention that about 35 years ago when I lived in Ca I was attacked in a dream by a demon on a night after I had a very tiring day. In my dream, my wife and I walked into a church and sat in the back few rows with a couple dozen or so other folks. Up front the preacher began to preach at us, accusing us mildly at first and gradually becoming more vocal and vicious. He then came down the isle and confronted us. He became so vicious that he became a big gapping open mouth ready to devour us. At that moment I jumped up from my seat and said, "In the name of Jesus get back." Immediately he wilted and disappeared through the wall to my left, the door being on my right. I went to the podium crying with joy and praising God for the blood of Jesus and his powerful name that had delivered us from the devil who was about to devour us. When I woke up I was still crying and praising God for this deliverance. This was the kind of dream that I had never exprienced before. It was no ordinary dream.

A couple of weeks or so later a penticostal missionary whom I had never met before visited my home and I took him and his wife out to dinner. I related my story to him and he said that was interesting because he too had had an attack in a dream. In his dream he had this beautiful large brick home and his neighbor lived in a run down house next door. He wanted to go and help his neighbor but when he went out the door the neighbors dogs attacked him. When he turned to go back into his house with his back to the dogs, the dogs jumped on him and knocked him down. He then woke up.

I asked God to help me to understand the meaning of these two dreams and the significance of how each turned out. The answer came, not audibly, but by the Spirit to my mind that my doctrine had taught that one trusts in the blood of Jesus and rebukes in the name of Jesus, resisting the devil in that name. My brother's penticostal religion was more on emotional stuff and weak on doctrine. His problem was that it had not been instilled into his thinking that you don't rebuke the devil without the use of the name of Jesus. Also, his house represented his good works and he relied on the safety of his works rather than the authority of Jesus and his blood to resist. Then, you never turn your back on the devil/demons, nor fear them, but, realizing the power of Jesus' name, you resist them.

Time for bath n bed. I'll try to address some other posts, tomorrow. G'nite n God bless.


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Brian
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Message 80 of 334 (75297)
12-27-2003 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Itachi Uchiha
12-26-2003 10:56 PM


Hi,
This dreams are very symbolic. sometimes you know what it means ,have an idea of what it means or just simply have no clue at all. It can concern you, a loved one, or even someone who you do not know but they all have a message. When you dont understand your dreams there are people in the church that have the ability to interpret them. it can be the pastor or somebody else.

The problem with this is that too many people readily accept what these ‘interpreters’ say, they go to the interpreter with the intention of accepting what ever they say without analysing it. Why not just accept that you have had a dream and forget attaching all sorts of nonsense to it that really is nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies. We all dream, I have been to the doctor a few times for beta blockers because I suffer from horrendous nightmares now and then, I don’t go running off to the local church, what’s the point?

A few days ago one of these interpreters in my church had a dream with me where God showed her that a demon wanted to continue imparing my eyesight(i have eyesight problems sice birth) and that to stop this i had to fasten and pray for a day.

Have you fasted and prayed, do you still have the eye problems? It is hardly a major revelation is it?

When it comes to my personal experineces, the last one i had was a bit hard to explain. It was night time and i was in bedroom when i heard some noises from the first floor of the house. My parents an sister were sleeping so i went to check it out. Three demons dresed like muslims were staling in my house.

Dressed like Muslims? What on earth does that mean, the last Muslim I spoke to was wearing a jeans and a T-shirt. What were they dressed like?

When i went to confront them they took out some swords and tried to stab me. I was running all over the house looking for a weapon while i ran from them. I saw a bible at the dinner table and heard a voice in my heard that said "Gods Wordis our sword".

But God’s word is not a literal sword of course, maybe you need to research this. However, what has happened is essentially what you would expect to happen in this situation, ‘I am in danger, what can help, oh the Bible can, didn’t I read somewhere that the Word is a sword, and they have swords, ahhhhhhh’

You need to stop fooling yourself.

I took the bible and said the same thing aloud. the bible turned into a sword in my hand and the demos got even more pissed. I fought them while reciting some Bilble verses until i beat them. For this one dream the meaning was clear. I understood that I had to study his word more in oder to defend myself better in the physical and spiritual world.

Sounds like a bad trip to me, what had you been smoking that evening?

I know you guys will make fun of me it happened to me andI dont care.

I wouldn’t make fun of you, I do have serious concerns about your state of mind though.

I know people who have had more ineresting dreams than the ones i had but they are still spiritual experineces.

I would say that they are psychological experiences, dreams can be induced, you can also subconsciously participate in a few episodes of self hypnosis, you dream about what you want to and your experiences are all premeditated.

Many times we have moments when the presece of god invades us and we leave our physical bodies sleeping in our beds and our spirits walk around the house and when god gets us back in our body even though this happened during the whole night we feel physically like nothing happened and slept all night. This of course because our bob stayed resting

These experiences are not limited to the Xian faith, people have been doing this for centuries before Xianity was dreamed up.

so have a laugh i guess

No, not a laugh, filled with pity and sorrow, yes. It is heartbreaking that in this day and age grown adults are taking these ancient myths seriously. You, along with every other ‘born again’ really do need psychological help, and I say this not out of malice but out of live for my fellow humans. We all need to pull together and finally put the abomination of religion to bed once and for all, Xianity (and others) has ruined so many lives that we need to educate the younger generations that these myths belong on the same book shelf as the Grimm’s fairytales.

Take care.

Brian.


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Message 81 of 334 (75302)
12-27-2003 9:25 AM
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12-26-2003 10:56 PM


jazzlover_PR

I am concerned here.You state this in your post.

A few days ago one of these interpreters in my church had a dream with me where God showed her that a demon wanted to continue imparing my eyesight(i have eyesight problems sice birth)

What is the problem with your eyes that you believe demons are impairing your eyesight?


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 82 of 334 (75326)
12-27-2003 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Brian
12-27-2003 5:29 AM


"The problem with this is that too many people readily accept what these ‘interpreters’ say, they go to the interpreter with the intention of accepting what ever they say without analysing it. Why not just accept that you have had a dream and forget attaching all sorts of nonsense to it that really is nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies. We all dream, I have been to the doctor a few times for beta blockers because I suffer from horrendous nightmares now and then, I don’t go running off to the local church, what’s the point?"

This is because you should be able to tell from a dream that is a product of your human brain and a messege of god which isnt always a dream because many times God visits you in the night and takes you places in your spirit leaving your body resting in your bed while your spirit is being taken to some place. Its like dying, the difference is that when god finished showing you what he wanted he takes you back into your body.
Interpretrs dont tell you quickly what it could mean. After you tellthem youre experience they pray and read the bible looking for answers. When they reach something they let you know. Remeber that the messege could be for you or someone else. It can be good or bad news and that of course is subject to that particular moment. When the dreams come from your brain beta blckers will work but if it is a visit from a spiritual being you can take whatever you want but wont be able to stop it. Before you ask why dont you have this dreams let me tell you first that God wont visit someone who does not believe in Him.

"Dressed like Muslims? What on earth does that mean, the last Muslim I spoke to was wearing a jeans and a T-shirt. What were they dressed like?"

Sorry. I meant more like an arab. You know with the head cover and everything. Just the way Arafat wears it.

"But God’s word is not a literal sword of course, maybe you need to research this. However, what has happened is essentially what you would expect to happen in this situation, ‘I am in danger, what can help, oh the Bible can, didn’t I read somewhere that the Word is a sword, and they have swords, ahhhhhhh’

You need to stop fooling yourself."

Exactly. its not literal, its spiritual and this is the point. Research it? Read the book of Ephesians. It talks about our spiritual armor which is made to fight demons not man. I took the Bilie out of desperation. When I took it in my hands i was expecting Gods help but when it turned into a sword I remebered his word.

"Sounds like a bad trip to me, what had you been smoking that evening?"

Its called the spiritual world my friend. I hope one day you have the oportunity to find yourself in it. No law of physics or any other natural law will help you there.

"I wouldn’t make fun of you, I do have serious concerns about your state of mind though."

Did you happen to see the movie Gothika? Its a simlar case. She was seeing the girl. She was seeing part of the spiritual but in a different sense of course. Everybody thought she was cray but she was telling the truth. If you think im crazy well thats your problem pal.

"I would say that they are psychological experiences, dreams can be induced, you can also subconsciously participate in a few episodes of self hypnosis, you dream about what you want to and your experiences are all premeditated."

Yes and no. remeber the difference btween a dream created by your brain and one that comes from the outside.

"These experiences are not limited to the Xian faith, people have been doing this for centuries before Xianity was dreamed up."

I know and there stories are no less real than mine. Some come rom God and others come from different demons.

"No, not a laugh, filled with pity and sorrow, yes. It is heartbreaking that in this day and age grown adults are taking these ancient myths seriously. You, along with every other ‘born again’ really do need psychological help, and I say this not out of malice but out of live for my fellow humans. We all need to pull together and finally put the abomination of religion to bed once and for all, Xianity (and others) has ruined so many lives that we need to educate the younger generations that these myths belong on the same book shelf as the Grimm’s fairytales."

The bible states clearly that things of the spirit are crazyness for the normal man so I understand your position. Phsycological help? Youll be the one whoo will never sleep again if you get just a glimpse of what the spiritual realm is.

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BIG Bang=Bigger JOke


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 83 of 334 (75327)
12-27-2003 1:06 PM


how do you quote what somebody wrote here?

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Message 84 of 334 (75331)
12-27-2003 1:10 PM
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12-27-2003 1:06 PM


Look to the top of the page, and go to the menu Forums Help. Go to the item UBB Code Quick Ref. That will bring up an explanation of handy features like quoting.

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 85 of 334 (75333)
12-27-2003 1:13 PM
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12-27-2003 9:25 AM


"What is the problem with your eyes that you believe demons are impairing your eyesight?"

Well I was born with cataratas(dont know how to write it in english) in my left eye and blinded it and had surgery right after birth to prevent it from spreading into my right eye which is the one i have left. The problem with the dream was that a demon was trying to further impair my vision and that is why I had to fasten and pray. To repell it


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Message 86 of 334 (75334)
12-27-2003 1:14 PM
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12-27-2003 1:10 PM


thanks a lot

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Message 87 of 334 (75346)
12-27-2003 1:51 PM
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jazzlover_PR

Did you recieve an intra-ocular lens transplant to correct the damage from the cataracts?

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Message 88 of 334 (75380)
12-27-2003 9:28 PM


No. I think the technology was not available at the time. I just had it removed like a tumor.

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Message 89 of 334 (75405)
12-28-2003 2:26 AM
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12-27-2003 9:28 PM


What is the level of vision acuity that you now possess? I am wondering why you consider your vision problem now to be a result of demon activity and not a natural occurence like the cataracts were?

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Message 90 of 334 (75471)
12-28-2003 6:52 PM
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12-26-2003 9:43 PM


Do I take your post to be, at least guardedly, a "yes" answer to the question "is epilepsy caused by demons?" Have my son and I really wasted all that time and money on neurologists and medicine for the last 25 years, when I could have had him exorcised?

I'm glad you added the word, "guardedly." My personal opinion on this is that mental disorders may or may not be caused by demons, but that the evil empire has much more involvement in these ailments than we all are comprehending. Either demonic oppression or possession is not something to be ashamed of as much as it is something to be addressed and understood. Many who are oppressed or even possessed are victims of Satanic attack and to be pittied, loved and helped rather than to be ridiculed or belittled. It can happen to anyone, especially folks who are deceived. Mental health problems, physical stress, fatigue and especially drugs are means of weakenig the victum for the attack. To absolutely reject the possibility of the forces of evil in treating mental problems may be the reason so little is being accomplished in lasting and effective treatment with hapless victims.

If indeed the evil empire is reality, the only truly effective solution to the problem is some spiritual antedote or power that is great enough to overcome the evil. In the experience I personally encountered, Jesus via the Holy Spirit and the word of God worked very effectively, just as the Bible states. Remember how Jesus dealt with Satan? He rebuked him after quoting scripture.

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